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Wow. Your posts always amaze me, Sir. So much knowledge. Thanks for sharing, it is posts like this that got me onto this forum.
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Ed Collecting PCL, Southern Association, and type cards. http://hangingjudgesports.com |
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350 Sov Forest green
It seems that the apple green is everywhere these days. Do you have a list of cards with the 350 Forest green back??
WOW, that was a fast response below. THX Last edited by bwbc917; 05-23-2014 at 05:54 AM. Reason: response |
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The mystique of the SOVEREIGN 350 "apple green" cards......let's see some cards
350-only series SOVEREIGN 350 forest green cards (138 subjects)
Abbott Anderson Armbruster Arndt Atz Barry (A's) Barry (Milwaukee) Batch Beck Beckley Bender (trees) Bescher (portrait) Blackburne Brain Brown (Washington) Burke Burns Bush Butler Byrne Campbell Carr Carrigan Casey Cassidy Chappelle Clancy Collins (A's) Congalton Cravath Cree Dahlen (portrait-Brooklyn) Dineen Donovan (throwing) Doolan (fielding) Downey (fielding) Downs Dubuc Dunn (Baltimore) Dunn (Brooklyn) Dygert Easterly Egan Ferguson Fiene (portrait) Fiene (throwing) Flanagan Fromme Gasper Graham (Boston) Grimshaw Hall Hallman Hannifan Hartsel Hinchman (Toledo) Hoblitzell Hoffman (Providence) Hofman Howard (Chicago) Howell (portrait) Huggins (portrait) Huggins (hands/mouth) Hulswitt Jackson Kelley Killian (portrait) Kisinger Knabe Knight (portrait) Knight (bat) Krause (portrait) Krause (pitching) Kroh Kruger Lavender Lennox Livingstone Malarkey Marquard (portrait) McCormick McGann McGinley McGinnity McGlynn McIntyre (Detroit) Merritt Milligan Mitchell (Cinci) Mitchell (Toronto) Moeller Moran (Chicago) Moran (Providence) Moriarty Mowrey Myers (fielding) Oakes Oberlin O'Brien O'Hara (New York) O'Neill Paskert Perring Pfeister (seated) Phelan Phelps Pickering Poland Purtell Quillen Quinn Randall Raymond Rhoades (hands/chest) Schmidt (portrait) Scott Shaw (Providence) Slagle Smith (Buffalo) Speaker Stanage Stephens Strang Street (portrait) Summers Sweeney (Boston) J. Tannehill (Washington) Taylor Thielmann Thomas Titus Unglaub Warhop White (Buffalo) Wilson Wright Irv Young Zimmerman T-Rex TED . |
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Hi Chris
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You're very welcome....and, stayed tuned as I will be posting more interesting information regarding these SOVEREIGN cards in the next post. TED Z Last edited by tedzan; 05-25-2014 at 06:56 AM. |
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Sovereign 350
I think I have another candidate for the Forest Green list with this Liebhartsov forest green jpg 001.jpg
t206 jpg 001.jpg |
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Chris
The list I posted in Post #8 applies strictly to the 350-only Series cards.
The Liebhardt card is in the 150/350 Series. In this series there are approx. 80 subjects that were printed with both the SOVEREIGN 150 and SOVEREIGN 350 "forest green" backs. TED Z Last edited by tedzan; 05-25-2014 at 07:02 AM. |
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I'm learning more and more. Thanks for the help.
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My one and only Green Apple, Od Cy. I only collect mid tier and up Hallers and there are not many cards in the Apple subjects that come into play for me. Thanks. I would also like to Thank Ted for all his great info on all the backs throughout the years.
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The mystique of the SOVEREIGN 350 "apple green" cards......let's see some cards
I was asked.....why only 402 (different) cards in a complete SOVEREIGN set ? After all, SOVEREIGN is a major T206 brand.
The anwer is simple, there are exactly 122 subjects that were NOT printed with the SOVEREIGN advertisement. So, for you set collectors on this forum....try the challenge of the SOVEREIGN set, here is the 402 card Checklist............ SOVEREIGN 150 (150 subjects) Abbaticchio (brown sleeves) Alperman Ames (portrait) Ames (hands at chest) Ball (New York) Bates Beaumont Bell (hands over head) Bender (portrait) Bergen (bat) Birmingham Bowerman Bradley (portrait) Bransfield Bridwell (portrait-no cap) Bresnahan (portrait) M. Brown (portrait) M. Brown (Cubs) G. Brown (Chicago) Burch (bat) Camnitz (arms folded) Chance (red portrait) Chase (pink portrait) Chase (white cap) Chesbro Cicotte Clarke (portrait) Clarke (bat) JJ Clarke Cobb (green) Cobb (bat on shoulder) Conroy (fielding) Coveleski Crandall (no cap) Criger Criss Dahlen (Boston) George Davis (Chicago) Harry Davis (A's) Delehanty (Washington) Devlin Donlin (fielding) Donlin (seated) Donohue Donovan (portrait) Dooin Doolin Dougherty (portrait) L. Doyle (throwing) Durham Elberfeld (portrait-New York) Evers (bat-Cubs) Evers (portrait) Ewing Ferris Flick Ganley Gibson Gilbert Goode Griffith (portrait) Hahn Hemphill Herzog (New York) Hinchman (Cleveland) Isbell Jacklitsch Johnson (portrait) F. Jones (portrait) F. Jones (hands at hips) T. Jones (St Louis) Jordan (portrait) Joss (portrait) Karger Keeler (portrait) Keeler (bat) Killian (pitching) Kleinow (bat) Kling Konetchy (glove high) Lajoie (portrait) Lajoie (throwing) Lake (New York) Leach (portrait) Leifield (pitching) Liebhardt Lindaman Lobert Lumley Magee (portrait) Manning (bat) Marquard (hands at side) Mathewson (portrait) Mathewson (white cap) McGraw (portrait-no cap) McGraw (pointing) McIntyre (Brooklyn) McQuillan (ball in hand) Merkle Mullin (throwing) Murphy (throwing) Nicholls (hands on knees) Niles Oldring (fielding) O'Leary (portrait) Overall (portrait) Owen Parent Pastorius Pattee Pelty (horiz.) Powell Powers Reulbach (glove) Ritchey Rucker (portrait) Schaefer (Detroit) Schlei (catching) Schmidt (throwing) Schulte (front view) Seymour (bat) Shaw (St Louis) Sheckard (no glove) Shipke F. Smith (Chicago) Spade Spencer Stahl (no glove) Steinfeldt (portrait) Stone Stovall (portrait) Sullivan L Tannehill (Chicago) Tenney Tinker (portrait) Tinker (hands on knees) Turner Waddell (portrait) Waddell (throwing) Wagner (bat on left) Wallace Walsh Weimer Doc White (portrait) Wilhelm (hands at chest) Williams Willis (portrait) Wiltse (portrait-no cap) CYoung (portrait) CYoung (bare hand) SOVEREIGN 350 forest green (140 subjects) Abbott Anderson Armbruster Arndt Atz Barry (A's) Barry (Milwaukee) Batch Beck Beckley Bender (trees) Bescher (portrait) Blackburne Brain Brown (Washington) Burke Burns Bush Butler Byrne Campbell Carr Carrigan Casey Cassidy Chappelle Clancy Collins (A's) Congalton Crawford (throwing) Cravath Cree Dahlen (portrait-Brooklyn) Dineen Donovan (throwing) Doolan (fielding) Downey (fielding) Downs Dubuc Dunn (Baltimore) Dunn (Brooklyn) Dygert Easterly Egan Ferguson Fiene (portrait) Fiene (throwing) Flanagan Fromme Gasper Graham (Boston) Grimshaw Hall Hallman Hannifan Hartsel Hinchman (Toledo) Hoblitzell Hoffman (Providence) Hofman Howard (Chicago) Howell (portrait) Huggins (portrait) Huggins (hands/mouth) Hulswitt Jackson Jennings (portrait) Kelley Killian (portrait) Kisinger Knabe Knight (portrait) Knight (bat) Krause (portrait) Krause (pitching) Kroh Kruger Lavender Lennox Livingstone Malarkey Marquard (portrait) McCormick McGann McGinley McGinnity McGlynn McIntyre (Detroit) Merritt Milligan Mitchell (Cinci) Mitchell (Toronto) Moeller Moran (Chicago) Moran (Providence) Moriarty Mowrey Myers (fielding) Oakes Oberlin O'Brien O'Hara (New York) O'Neill Paskert Perring Pfeister (seated) Phelan Phelps Pickering Poland Purtell Quillen Quinn Randall Raymond Rhoades (hands/chest) Schmidt (portrait) Scott Shaw (Providence) Slagle Smith (Buffalo) Speaker Stanage Stephens Strang Street (portrait) Summers Sweeney (Boston) J. Tannehill (Washington) Taylor Thielmann Thomas Titus Unglaub Warhop White (Buffalo) Wilson Wright Irv Young Zimmerman SOVEREIGN 350 apple green (66 subjects) Ames (hands over head) Baker Bender (no trees) Berger Bradley (bat) M. Brown (Chicago) Burch (fielding) Chance (yellow portrait) Chase (blue portrait) Chase (dark cap) Cobb (red portrait) Cobb (bat off shoulder) Conroy (bat) Crawford (bat) Harry Davis (A's) Donlin (bat) Doolan (bat) Dougherty (arm in air) Downey (bat) Joe Doyle (arms over head) Larry Doyle (bat) Elberfeld (Washington-fielding) Evers (Chicago-yellow sky) Griffith (bat) Jennings (one hand) Jennings (two hands) Johnson (pitching) Jordan (bat) Joss (pitching) Kleinow (NY-catching) Konetchy (glove low) Lajoie (bat) Lake, St. Louis (no ball) Leach (cap) Leifeld (bat) Magee (bat) Manning (pitching) Mathewson (dark cap) McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago) McQuillan (bat) Mullin (bat) Murphy (bat) Nichols (bat) O'Leary (hands on knees) Overall (yellow sky) Pelty (vertical) Pfeister (throwing) Reulbach (no glove) Rhoades (arm at face level) Rucker (throwing) Seymour (throwing) F. Smith (white cap) Snodgrass (catching) Stahl (glove) Steinfeldt (bat) Street (catching) Sweeney (fielding) Tinker (bat off shoulder) Wagner (bat on right) Doc White (Chicago-pitching) Wilhelm (bat) Willetts Willis (throwing) Willis (bat) Wiltse (pitching) CYoung (glove) SOVEREIGN 460 (46 subjects) Abbaticcio (blue sleeves) Ball (Cleveland) Bell (pitching) Bergen (catching) Bescher (arms above) Bridwell (portrait-cap) Camnitz (arms at side) Camnitz (arms up) Chance (bat) Chase (trophy) Crandall (portrait-cap) Devore Doyle (portrait) Duffy Ford Frill Gandil Geyer Herzog (Boston) Howell (hands at waist) Hummell Lake (with ball) Latham Marquard (follow thru) McGraw (portrait-cap) McGraw (glove at hip) Merkle (throwing) Meyers (portrait) Murray (portrait) Needham Oldring (bat) Overall (blue sky) Payne Pfeffer Schaefer (Washington) Schulte (back view) Schlei (portrait) Schlei (bat) Seymour (portrait) Sheckard (glove) H. Smith (Brooklyn) Stovall (bat) Tannehill (Chicago) Tinker (bat on) Wheat Wiltse (portrait-cap) T-Rex TED . Last edited by tedzan; 06-04-2014 at 05:12 PM. Reason: Added Jiggs Donohue (left out initially) |
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T205 Sovereigns
On a related subject, for the true Sovereign junkie, here's the T205 list:
1) Abbaticchio 2) Ames 3) Archer 4) Austin 5) Bailey 6) Ball 7) Bates 8) Becker 9) Bell 10) Bergen 11) Bescher 12) Birmingham 13) Blackburne 14) Bransfield 15) Bridwell 16) Brown 17) Chance 18) Chase (frame extends) 19) Cicotte 20) Clarke 21) Corridon 22) Crandall (t-crossed) 23) Daubert 24) Delahanty 25) Devlin 26) Devore 27) Dickson 28) Dooin 29) Doolan 30) Dougherty (white sock) 31) Downey 32) Duffy 33) Egan 34) Engle 35) Evans 36) Evers 37) Ewing 38) Ferguson 39) Fletcher 40) Flynn 41) Ford (Black Cap) 42) Foxen 43) Fromme 44) Gaspar 45) Gibson 46) Goode 47) Graham (Rustlers) 48) Gray (w/ stats) 49) Griffith 50) Groom 51) Harmon (Both Ears) 52) Hemphill 53) Herzog 54) Hoblitzell (Cin. after stats) 55) Hoffman 56) Huggins 57) Hummel 58) Jacklitsch 59) Jennings 60) Johnson 61) D. Jones 62) Killian 63) Kling 64) Knight 65) Laporte 66) Lang 67) Latham (A.) 68) Leach 69) Leever 70) Leifield (A.P.) 71) Lennox 72) Livingston 73) Lobert 74) B. Lord 75) H. Lord 76) Lush 77) Maddox 78) Magee 79) Marquard 80) Mathewson 81) McBride 82) McElveen 83) McGraw 84) H. McIntyre 85) M. McIntyre 86) McLean 87) Meyers 88) Mitchell 89) Moran (no stray line) 90) Moriarty 91) Mullin 92) Murray 93) Needham 94) Olmstead 95) Overall 96) Paskert 97) Payne 98) Pfiester 99) Phelps 100) Quinn 101) Reulbach 102) Richie 103) Rucker 104) Schlei 105) Schmidt 106) Scott 107) Sharpe 108) Shean (Boston) 109) Simmons 110) Snodgrass 111) Stahl 112) Stanage 113) Steinfeldt 114) Stone 115) Stovall 116) Summers 117) Thomas 118) Tinker 119) Wheat 120) Willet 121) Wiltse (both ears) 122) Wolter 123) Young Take Care, Geno |
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Hey Geno
Us AIR FORCE guys love those SOVEREIGN cards.
Thanks for posting the T205 list. TED Z |
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The mystique of the SOVEREIGN 350 "apple green" cards......Show us your green apples
The biggest challenge I had in putting together this SOVEREIGN set was determining the SOVEREIGN NO-PRINTS (N-P). The subjects I refer to as the "Big Seven"
and the 48 Southern Leaguers were obvious N-P. By November 2007, I was confident I had figured out the remaining subjects that American Litho. did NOT print with the SOVEREIGN back. So, I published my list of 122 subjects. Seven years have transpired since then....and, it certainly appears that my N-P list has withstood the test of time. These 122 NO-PRINTS are identified here...... The "BIG SEVEN" NO-PRINTS...... Demmitt (St Louis American) J. Doyle (N.Y. Nat'L) Lundgren (Cubs) Magie O'Hara (St Louis Nat'l) Plank Honus Wagner 350-only Series NO-PRINTS (65 subjects)...... Abstein Adkins Arrellanes Barbeau Barger Becker Bliss Brashear Bresnahan (bat) Burchell Charles Clark Clymer J. Collins (Minn.) Cross Davidson Delehanty (Louisville) Demmitt (New York American) Dessau Dorner Downey (fielding) Elberfeld (portrait-Washington) Engle Evans Fletcher Freeman Ganzel Graham (St Louis AL) Gray Groom Hayden Hoffman (St Louis AL) Hunter Jones (portrait Detroit) La Porte Lattimore Lord Lundgren (Kansas City) Maddox Maloney Marshall Mattern McAleese McBride McElveen McLean Milan Miller (Pittsburg) Mullen (portrait) Murray (bat) Myers (bat) Nattress Phillippe Puttman Rhodes Ritter Rudolph Schirm Schlafly Schreck Shannon Sharpe Snodgrass (bat) Starr Willett 460-only Series NO-PRINTS...... Kleinow (Boston) Smith (Chicago & Boston) And, the 48 Southern Leaguers are NO-PRINTS. T-Rex TED . |
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Hope you don't mind Ted, but the only thing I can contribute to this thread is a Sovereign with a crop line.
Upper left corner on the back. Jantz Last edited by Jantz; 08-06-2014 at 07:45 PM. |
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The mystique of the SOVEREIGN 350 "apple green" cards......let's see some cards
Hey guys,
One more try in asking for any Same Name or Dual Name cards from the 350/460 series. I have not seen any. So, I'm looking to fellow collectors of these types of T206's [Chris Browne, Jantz, Johnny V, Doug (Phillies*phan), etc.] to chime in here with some interesting stuff. Especially any cards with SOVEREIGN 350 apple green backs would be greatly appreciated. v................................................. ....... Six super-prints .................................................. ....v Here is the list of these 66 subjects displayed here on this simulated 72-card sheet............ Six Super-Prints Chance (yellow portrait) Chase (blue portrait) Chase (dark cap) Cobb (red portrait) Evers (Chicago-yellow sky) Mathewson (dark cap) 60 subjects Ames (hands over head) Baker Bender (no trees) Berger Bradley (bat) M. Brown (Chicago) Burch (fielding) Cobb (bat off shoulder) Conroy (bat) Crawford (bat) Harry Davis (A's) Donlin (bat) Doolan (bat) Dougherty (arm in air) Downey (bat) Joe Doyle (arms over head) Larry Doyle (bat) Elberfeld (Washington-fielding) Griffith (bat) Jennings (one hand) Jennings (two hands) Johnson (pitching) Jordan (bat) Joss (pitching) Kleinow (NY-catching) Konetchy (glove low) Lajoie (bat) Lake, St. Louis (no ball) Leach (cap) Leifeld (bat) Magee (bat) Manning (pitching) McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago) McQuillan (bat) Mullin (bat) Murphy (bat) Nichols (bat) O'Leary (hands on knees) Overall (yellow sky) Pelty (vertical) Pfeister (throwing) Reulbach (no glove) Rhoades (arm at face level) Rucker (throwing) Seymour (throwing) F. Smith (white cap) Snodgrass (catching) Stahl (glove) Steinfeldt (bat) Street (catching) Sweeney (fielding) Tinker (bat off shoulder) Wagner (bat on right) Doc White (Chicago-pitching) Wilhelm (bat) Willetts Willis (throwing) Willis (bat) Wiltse (pitching) CYoung (glove) Thanks in advance for your inputs, T-Rex TED . |
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Hi Ted
I've seen quite a few two same name T206s from the 350-460 series, but never a two different name from the 350-460 series. Can't recall ever seeing a two same namer with an apple green Sovereign back either, I do have scans of two forest green Sovereigns. Here is a few. Jantz Last edited by Jantz; 08-06-2014 at 07:45 PM. |
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The mystique of the SOVEREIGN 350 "apple green" cards......Show us your green apples
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Hi Very nice looking Joss.....however, this card's back is not apple green. The Joss (portrait) was printed in the 150/350 series. All the backs of the cards in this series are the normal green color. Joss (pitching) has a SOVEREIGN 350 apple green back. Please check-out the 66-card apple green checklist (Post #27). Thanks for displaying your card. TED Z Last edited by tedzan; 06-01-2014 at 02:24 PM. |
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Ha, Ted as far as toughness goes in what order would you rank the Sovereigns from 1 to 4 in you experiences putting the sets together? Thanks. Dennis.
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Hi Ed
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I really appreciate your kind words. T-Rex TED |
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