Show...me...your print variations!

[savedfrommyspokes]

Nice finds Cliff and Joe.

[JollyElm]

This '62 Ruth is interesting for a couple of reasons. It is not only a green tint variation card, but it is also so miscut that it shows part of card #176 Eddie Yost (which is a pose variation) on it. A pretty cool find for any Dodgers error/variation collectors out there.

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[savedfrommyspokes]

Speaking of MC, here is a 69 T #232 with some sort of factory note along the left edge. Not sure what "slit b" stands for. Somewhere between a third to a half of the copies of this card that are OC r/l have this note (or parts of this note) on the left side edge.

[ALR-bishop]

It reminds me of the notation on some of the 1960 Topps Banks cards

[savedfrommyspokes]

Had not noticed the excess red below the border on this 72 #574 card before...while appearing in varying degrees, very few if any copies on ebay have this excess red, while about half on COMC do.

[ALR-bishop]

Checked the one in my set and it has a red line that is above rather than below the black border line

[savedfrommyspokes]

Nice Al, I did not notice a variation of a excess red above the black line when searching for copies of the red line below the border(could have missed some copies though), so looks like you may have found an even tougher print variation of this card to chase ....please post a pic!

[4reals]

Notice that the right border on Joe Coleman's 78 Topps card is red as opposed to pink like the other three sides. I have yet to find a variation with all four sides pink. If one exists my opinion is that it is quite scarce.

[grainsley]

I was aware of the font size variation, but this one (on the right) has me scuppered. I have periodically checked Ebay and COMC, unable to locate another. Perhaps someone more familiar with the print process could educate me as to what happened here? Thanks...

[4reals]

Originally Posted by grainsley

I was aware of the font size variation, but this one (on the right) has me scuppered. I have periodically checked Ebay and COMC, unable to locate another. Perhaps someone more familiar with the print process could educate me as to what happened here? Thanks...

yellow print plate out of register (misaligned) during print process. Some collectors call it "ghosting". Not unusual to find these but fun to hunt for to pass the time until those white whales come along.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by grainsley

I was aware of the font size variation, but this one (on the right) has me scuppered. I have periodically checked Ebay and COMC, unable to locate another. Perhaps someone more familiar with the print process could educate me as to what happened here? Thanks...

That "ghosting" version is certainly unique, nice find! Almost reminds me of the 7th series yellow boxed checklist.

[ALR-bishop]

Seems harder to find one without the red than with it, and the red line seems to wander some

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by 4reals

Notice that the right border on Joe Coleman's 78 Topps card is red as opposed to pink like the other three sides. I have yet to find a variation with all four sides pink. If one exists my opinion is that it is quite scarce.

Jim Tyrone was beside it on the 1978 E* sheet, it has the same flaw on the left edge.

[4reals]

Very interesting! Thanks for sharing!

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Seems harder to find one without the red than with it, and the red line seems to wander some

Nice Al, that is the first copy of this card I have seen with the red above....

[steve B]

That's another registration difference. With the red printed where it should be the extra line is below the frame If the red is printed shifted up the line will be above the frame.

Steve B

[swarmee]

1973 Topps #1 - All Time Home Run Leaders (Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, Willie Mays)
Courtesy of COMC.com

Not mine, but I thought this card depicting Babe's booger would be of interest.. ;-)

[ALR-bishop]

[Cliff Bowman]

Unlike most of my other crappy printing flaw "error" cards, I believe this one is a bona fide variation. Apparently, the early printing of the 1973 Topps Al Kaline card had a spring training photo of him with a band-aid on his forehead, someone at Topps spotted it and had it airbrushed out.

[savedfrommyspokes]

That certainly appears to be a true variation Cliff, nice job. I have not looked yet, but what pct of the copies of this card have the band-aid?

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

That certainly appears to be a true variation Cliff, nice job. I have not looked yet, but what pct of the copies of this card have the band-aid?

They are pretty rare, I think there is only one beat up one on eBay at the moment, none on COMC.

[ALR-bishop]

Good one Cliff

[JollyElm]

Not to rain on the parade or anything, but I've had the Kaline card (actually 2 of them) in my Vintage Errors and Variation FT thread for a long time now. Yesterday I resuscitated the thread in the BST section, for anyone looking to trade for that card.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Not to rain on the parade or anything, but I've had the Kaline card (actually 2 of them) in my Vintage Errors and Variation FT thread for a long time now. Yesterday I resuscitated the thread in the BST section, for anyone looking to trade for that card.

I first found out about the card years ago on eBay, a seller had one up and when I went to look at it I figured it was just another lame "variation", but when I looked at his scans I was impressed. I have looked for them ever since but I have only been able to find five or so.

[ALR-bishop]

I can attest to Cliff's prior recognition of the Kaline variant. After he posted it I told him I was looking for one and he pointed out he had sent me one quite awhile back ( no charge by the way). I looked in my set and there it was. It is depressing getting old. It is not the first variant Cliff has sent me without charge. There have been several.

And, I appreciate it when folks post variants here, even if they might have shown up elsewhere, because it is valuable having one thread where you can search for examples.

Darren does have a lot of great variations listed in his BST thread. Definitely worth a look

[Exhibitman]

[MikeGarcia]

....I don't know how something like this could have happened but a green uniform might have been a big hit in a town like Boston.

...

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

I can attest to Cliff's prior recognition of the Kaline variant. After he posted it I told him I was looking for one and he pointed out he had sent me one quite awhile back ( no charge by the way). I looked in my set and there it was. It is depressing getting old. It is not the first variant Cliff has sent me without charge. There have been several.

And, I appreciate it when folks post variants here, even if they might have shown up elsewhere, because it is valuable having one thread where you can search for examples.

Darren does have a lot of great variations listed in his BST thread. Definitely worth a look

Don't let him fool you, he compensated me for that particular card .

[Bibitte2]

Hey guys, i have some nice variation....lol

Original Printing plates....
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Mantle And 2 other players...
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Ruth/Fox/Kiner/Greenberg/Wilson.
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[ALR-bishop]

I have a large number of 1972 with poor registration, including the Allen, but Adam's is a "super" example

[JollyElm]

I've always loved the shot on this '73 Speier card and found this wrong back for a pittance, so I grabbed it up…
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[1963Topps Set]

If you want to trade that 1973 wrong back, just let me know.

Thanks....

Tom

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by 1963Topps Set

If you want to trade that 1973 wrong back, just let me know.

Thanks....

Tom

Within the next few days when I add additional cards to my errors and variations for trade thread in the BST, the Speier will be there.

[JollyElm]

I love the Mets, I love 1972, I love high numbers, I love the 'TRADED' subset and I love errors…

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Talk about having it all!!!

[Laxcat]

Yall have some cool stuff on here! Here are my 1970 print vars:

Yankee TC and Mullena are way off register. The Repoz is off register, but not to the same degree. The Mike Lum has some serious magenta bleed. The Hiatt Patek May and Ray all have sizable portions of the end of the sheet. The Christian is my favorite. How many times can you get 3 cards in one?

[ALR-bishop]

I have considered whether this card involves a true variation, one in which Topps made an effort to minimize the bat between Mantle's legs in later runs, and did it in different degrees. But the fact there are so few of the minimized cards seems to argue against it. Why would such a change be made only near the end of the print run ?

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

I have considered whether this card involves a true variation, one in which Topps made an effort to minimize the bat between Mantle's legs in later runs, and did it in different degrees. But the fact there are so few of the minimized cards seems to argue against it. Why would such a change be made only near the end of the print run ?

The only one that looks different to me is the card on the left. Do the other two differ with regards to that bat?

The image shows that the overall color of the card on the left is all out of whack. The yellow is significantly duller and it's missing some red (magenta) ink, among possibly other things, as compared to the middle and right cards. That probably explains what's going on here.

[bnorth]

Here is the Mantle with some print offsets.

[ALR-bishop]

This card has two slightly different but related recurring print defects. The most common one involves a red and blue line to upper right of lower left front logo. A card without those two marks is harder to find. The third version involves the red line version smudged with some of the red in the white pants of the guy to the left. That seems to be the toughest, but have seen a few of them. Top one is clean. 2nd one has the red and blue lines. The 3d has the red in the pants

[MikeGarcia]

...anyone ever seen 1957 Topps with a back like this --I assume it's a factory cut because it's miscut just like ninety per cent of all '57 Topps were....

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[bnorth]

Originally Posted by MikeGarcia

...anyone ever seen 1957 Topps with a back like this --I assume it's a factory cut because it's miscut just like ninety per cent of all '57 Topps were....

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Maybe a card cut from a salesman sample?

[SMPEP]

Correct - that is 1/3rd of a saleman sample.

[MikeGarcia]

Oh , okay.....I've seen three-card strips reputed to be ''Samples'' but I 've never seen the backs;.anyone have one or know about the 3-card strip backs ?

...thanks

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by MikeGarcia

Oh , okay.....I've seen three-card strips reputed to be ''Samples'' but I 've never seen the backs;.anyone have one or know about the 3-card strip backs ?

...thanks

Usually some on eBay. Link to another single. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1958-Topps-A...item35d405a6a7

[ALR-bishop]

i think you can find them from 53 to 67. I have several. Trying to get one for each of my sets. Anthony, Griffins on the board, has a great run for both Topps and Bowman. If you keep a search for Topps or Bowman Salesman sample, you will find them on eBay, usually partially cut like this one. They are most valuable if the 3 card strip is uncut. The next factor involves whether a star card is pictured on the strip. Less valuable is a star on the back. The backs do not usually match the front players. Two card backs are advertising with one player back from the set. Here is back of my 59 Salesman Sample

[JollyElm]

Three wildly miscut 1970 HOF'ers…
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Pretty cool!!

[JollyElm]

I'm really starting to dig wildly miscut cards. Here are a few more from 1970, including HOF'er Maz…
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[ALR-bishop]

Someone mentioned this one on CU. Recurring print defect, not scarce

[rgpete]

73 Miscuts

[JollyElm]

Pseudo shameless plug…for anyone interested, a lot of the cards I posted in this thread are now available for trade in my new Errors & Variations thread in the B/S/T. Check it out.