Ty Cobb - Not a Cheating Bigot or Dirty Player - new biography

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by calvindog

This obviously will come as a shock to you but are you aware that different standards existed in different eras?

So you're not saying he didn't do these things, but that they were socially acceptable. I get it.

Back then it was socially acceptable to try to murder a man for intervening in your berating racist rant of another man?

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

So you're not saying he didn't do these things, but that they were socially acceptable. I get it.

Back then it was socially acceptable to try to murder a man for intervening in your berating racist rant of another man?

First, as the new book mentioned much of what you wrote has been debunked and Cobb is actually described as a supporter of integrating major league baseball and oftentimes a supporter of blacks. Second, your comparison of what was acceptable and deemed normal in society in 1910 is different from what existed 100 years later. To compare Ty Cobb's actions to Riley Cooper and Ray Rice and suggest that you are comparing apples to apples just makes zero sense. Are we actually having this discussion or do you not honestly see the point here? Bugs Bunny was a racist bastard too if you look at some of Warner Brothers' old cartoons.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by calvindog

First, as the new book mentioned much of what you wrote has been debunked and Cobb is actually described as a supporter of integrating major league baseball and oftentimes a supporter of blacks. Second, your comparison of what was acceptable and deemed normal in society in 1910 is different from what existed 100 years later. To compare Ty Cobb's actions to Riley Cooper and Ray Rice and suggest that you are comparing apples to apples just makes zero sense. Are we actually having this discussion or do you not honestly see the point here? Bugs Bunny was a racist bastard too if you look at some of Warner Brothers' old cartoons.

He tried to murder someone. That wasn't debunked. Ignore any comparisons to today's players (which paint Cobb as a psychopath) and tell me whether murder was socially acceptable back in 1910? Then let me know if beating a black woman near to death for being uppity is something that a person "who wasn't racist" would do. I'll admit I wasn't around back in 1910, so I don't know what was the norm, but I have never heard of other players beating blacks in the streets and trying to murder people.

[calvindog]

You probably should read the book which counters much of what you say -- and actually was written by someone who did real research. Maybe then you'll become a disciple human being like Cobb too.

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by calvindog

You probably should read the book which counters much of what you say -- and actually was written by someone who did real research. Maybe then you'll become a disciple human being like Cobb too.

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