Cutting sheets

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It may sound circular, but an original card is one cut contemporaneously at the factory. Someone hacking up a sheet decades later is not creating original cards one reason being that alhough the doctors are good the cut will not be the same. Nor will the historical imprecision of centering problems rough cuts etc. be the same. It's just more card doctoring plain and simple, even if they look pretty.

but back in 1933 someone chose not to cut the sheets knowing they could get cut later...I don't see a problem in cutting them later.....the sheets are part of the additional population out there..it not like they are cheap to buy ..I thought they actually sell for more than the cards would go card for card anyway... I do see the other side to it...its a close call ....I would buy the holder not the card here..if size is right and its authentic and in a PSA holder.is a real card..

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

but back in 1933 someone chose not to cut the sheets knowing they could get cut later...I don't see a problem in cutting them later.....the sheets are part of the additional population out there..it not like they are cheap to buy ..I thought they actually sell for more than the cards would go card for card anyway... I do see the other side to it...its a close call ....I would buy the holder not the card here..if size is right and its authentic and in a PSA holder.is a real card..

One man's ceiling is another man's floor. To me they are doctored cards. And if the grading services know they are sheet cut they won't grade them. PS Sheets survived for various reasons by historic accident, but not because the intent was to cut them later.

[ksabet]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

One man's ceiling is another man's floor. To me they are doctored cards. And if the grading services know they are sheet cut they won't grade them. PS Sheets survived for various reasons by historic accident, but not because the intent was to cut them later.

I understand your point and subconsciously I feel uncomfortable with it as well. Not sure why though, it seems different from adding paper or trimming below size requirements or soaking.

I don't want to debate "The Card" again but would this fall into the category of sheet cutting? If it meets all the requirements just done at a later time is it really "altered"?

[Peter_Spaeth]

As I understand the history the Wagner was already sheet cut when Mastro trimmed it. Or people think so anyway because of the reverse only existing in sheet cut form.

And sure, some alterations may be more offensive than others but that doesn't mean they aren't alterations.

[icollectDCsports]

I'd rather own a pristine pre-War card, knowing that it was obtained from original packaging and carefully preserved over the years than the same "card" that was cut from a sheet yesterday. It's not just about the image, or repros would suffice for many more of us; it's about the history (and what we can imagine about it) of the object itself.

[bnorth]

Like most things everyone has a different opinion. I own several full sheets and over the years have cut several of them up.

From my experience in telling everyone the cards being sold are professionally(hand) cut from a full sheet. Very few wont buy the card but most wont pay the same for the hand cut cards as they will for factory cut cards.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Like most things everyone has a different opinion. I own several full sheets and over the years have cut several of them up.

From my experience in telling everyone the cards being sold are professionally(hand) cut from a full sheet. Very few wont buy the card but most wont pay the same for the hand cut cards as they will for factory cut cards.

Professionally hand cut?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by icollectDCsports

I'd rather own a pristine pre-War card, knowing that it was obtained from original packaging and carefully preserved over the years than the same "card" that was cut from a sheet yesterday. It's not just about the image, or repros would suffice for many more of us; it's about the history (and what we can imagine about it) of the object itself.

id like to know if cards are soaked or not too but noone says it......as far as sheets and why they exist now..noone really knows the intentions...

i just dont see it as a problem on value cause sheets go for huge prices on old cards...good luck with the cutting...if its 'trimmed' you just killed the value..