'52 Topps Mick SGC 4 Fireworks - Hits $54,900

[Jdoggs]

SGC 4 52 mantle currently at $54k.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Jdoggs

SGC 4 52 mantle currently at $54k.

Honestly, I am not surprised. Like what has already been mentioned, that is a great looking 4.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Jdoggs

SGC 4 52 mantle currently at $54k.

I am speechless.

[Canofcorn]

Thanks for posting this thread Matty. I actually feel vindicated in a way, becuuse I held firm on my offers and people were beating me up because it's in an SGC holder and not PSA. I almost started to believe it. In a weird way I feel like my card gained $10k in value because of this auction. Yes, each auction is different and that card was a little nicer, but if I was thinking $30k, there is no reason mine can't be $40k..still $14k less expensive. And trending up, up, and away.

As Johnny Drama said in Entourage....VICTORY!!

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Canofcorn

Thanks for posting this thread Matty. I actually feel vindicated in a way, becuuse I held firm on my offers and people were beating me up because it's in an SGC holder and not PSA. I almost started to believe it. In a weird way I feel like my card gained $10k in value because of this auction. Yes, each auction is different and that card was a little nicer, but if I was thinking $30k, there is no reason mine can't be $40k..still $14k less expensive. And trending up, up, and away.

As Johnny Drama said in Entourage....VICTORY!!

like you said each auction is different if you are considering selling a 20k+ card..why not pay the 500 or whatever to get it into a PSA holder....the only way I think SGCs get top dollar on occasion is in the open auction market where there is real risk..unless there is a hidden reserve......even if PSA doesn't agree with the grade and you get it back..so what is 500 bucks for a card that has gone up 10k in your opinion that's not a horrible risk

it real tough to get top of market value on direct deals on SGC cards in my humble opinion but sometimes that same person that offers you 20k will pay 25k in an auction setting...or if its a PSA card you have a better chance to set a new market record in a direct offer.... but I just talking generally and my opinion only

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

like you said each auction is different if you are considering selling a 20k+ card..why not pay the 500 or whatever to get it into a PSA holder....the only way I think SGCs get top dollar on occasion is in the open auction market where there is real risk..unless there is a hidden reserve......even if PSA doesn't agree with the grade and you get it back..so what is 500 bucks for a card that has gone up 10k in your opinion that's not a horrible risk

it real tough to get top of market value on direct deals on SGC cards in my humble opinion but sometimes that same person that offers you 20k will pay 25k in an auction setting...or if its a PSA card you have a better chance to set a new market record in a direct offer.... but I just talking generally and my opinion only

Like MattyC said it was the card not the holder in this case. There are two SGC 50s on ebay right now, one for 30k, one for 25k, and both accepting lower offers. No one has jumped on them yet, and I certainly won't be.

I would also assume that most people selling high end cards like this in SGC holders have already tried and failed to get them into PSA holders. I know I would have. But in this case it certainly didn't seem to matter. I don't think this one brings much more than 54k in a PSA 4 holder.

[Canofcorn]

All 4s aren't created equal

[Canofcorn]

It'a tough finding centered examples

[MattyC]

Originally Posted by Canofcorn

It'a tough finding centered examples

I feel ya, brother. A collector who wants well-framed cards finds so many are tough to find centered-- especially Mantles. Just think of how many 52Ts, 51Bs, 53Ts, heck, all of them that we see listed everywhere...and how few are dead nuts centered. Makes the hunt and finding that rare centered card all the more satisfying and FUN!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Canofcorn

Thanks for posting this thread Matty. I actually feel vindicated in a way, becuuse I held firm on my offers and people were beating me up because it's in an SGC holder and not PSA. I almost started to believe it. In a weird way I feel like my card gained $10k in value because of this auction. Yes, each auction is different and that card was a little nicer, but if I was thinking $30k, there is no reason mine can't be $40k..still $14k less expensive. And trending up, up, and away.

As Johnny Drama said in Entourage....VICTORY!!

LOL too funny.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Canofcorn

Thanks for posting this thread Matty. I actually feel vindicated in a way, becuuse I held firm on my offers and people were beating me up because it's in an SGC holder and not PSA. I almost started to believe it. In a weird way I feel like my card gained $10k in value because of this auction. Yes, each auction is different and that card was a little nicer, but if I was thinking $30k, there is no reason mine can't be $40k..still $14k less expensive. And trending up, up, and away.

As Johnny Drama said in Entourage....VICTORY!!

Just going by these E-Bay listings, you can clearly see (in my opinion) that PSA does grade higher, or is not as strict as SGC.

Case in point, Billy Herman, below, VG-EX 4 (there are others). If that card is a 4 then your's and the one sold in the auction would definitely be 5's or 6's or maybe even higher?

Not bashing or criticizing, just stating my personal observations. Of course, like others have mentioned, there is more that meets the eye.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/Baseball-/21...p2045573.m1684

[Peter_Spaeth]

In the last couple of years PSA is much stricter than SGC in my opinion, in terms of corners anyhow and centering which is where most cards above 3 get graded down. In general, there are always exceptions.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

In the last couple of years PSA is much stricter than SGC in my opinion, in terms of corners anyhow and centering which is where most cards above 3 get graded down. In general, there are always exceptions.

Going by that Herman I was talking about and seeing it graded a 4 leads me to believe, like I already stated, those Mantles, if graded by PSA would have graded much higher imo. This Herman, comparatively, either doesn't deserve a 4 or the Mantles deserve a much higher grade.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-3...4AAOSwFMZWrkuj

[MattyC]

PSA in my experience has gotten incredibly strict. It's also important to keep in mind that even in a new holder, a card could have been graded in a past era when different graders and standards were in effect. Ultimately, the card will always shine no matter the plastic or the number.