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I agree with this. In fact, at one time, SGC was stricter on surface wrinkles than PSA. I know when Baker was grading for PSA , he was more lenient on surface wrinkles. Years ago I tried crossing a couple PSA 5's over to SGC and they would not cross due to surface wrinkles. PSA has become more strict over time so I don't doubt they have changed their grading scale descriptions to reflect that. '
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http://www.psacard.com/Photograde/1/...key-mantle-311
Look at the PSA 5 Mantle and then read PSA's own description which allowed for surface wrinkles. On a side note, sometimes "creases" and "wrinkles" are used interchangeably. A wrinkle only breaks the surface - either the front or the back - but not both. A crease goes through both surfaces - the front and back. A PSA 5 can have a surface wrinkle, but shouldn't have a crease. Last edited by vintagetoppsguy; 03-01-2016 at 03:07 PM. |
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I meant to say hadnt heard before (just like the poster jchcollins ) but know it could....nice insult ...not sure what i said to illicit your kind response..really makes you sound intelligent.....rather be insulted as a collector than as a person...great job Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 03-01-2016 at 02:54 PM. |
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They were the kind of wrinkles that were tough to see unless you tilted the card at an angle under a light source and did not show on the reverse. Tough to see but definitely there. Many of the PSA Mike Baker era 5's will have surface wrinkles. Not all of them, but it's possible for them to be there.
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I would say in general there won't be a surface wrinkle on a 6. Possibly on the back, not visible on the front, that would otherwise grade an 8 or 9 without the wrinkle.
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right yet the psa website says a 6 can have a wrinkle....... so just because the psa website says something doesnt mean it happens much...that was my point about the 5s...i never seen one with a wrinkle so pretty rare..despite whatever it says on the psa website
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top grade possible for surface wrinkle:
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I would agree with that. I have an older SGC slab on a '56 Ted Wiliams. The card has what I've always considered a wrinkle, but it's more noticeable because in a place it breaks the color surface - so SGC probably considered it an outright crease. Otherwise the card is a 5 all day long based on corners and eye-appeal. They gave it a 3. Slab is probably at least 10 years old. The card was a part of the only grading submission I have ever made; I've had it since I was a kid.
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I can only guess, other than being new or older slabs and the known difference nowadays between the 2, but I have also concluded, that in all likely hood, due to differences we will never know, some cards are and will continue to be graded different depending on the day, who did the grading, what mood they were in, etc, etc, etc. I'll admit, it is very hard to see imperfections in cards posted here sometimes, and this isn't a slam against graders by any means, it's just a conclusion one will eventually come to and have no choice but to accept, sadly.
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[QUOTE=irv;1511529]ECV, like me, you're going to have to get use to the fact that there are a lot of variations between grades.
+1... This is a good sentiment to accept. And your card is a great example of "buy the card not the holder." Regarding newer vs older holders. It does seem that PSA has been ridiculously harsh on grading over the last year or so. However, don't assume a new holder = a recently graded card. Many cards have been reholdered so you have to pay attention to the serial number get get a better idea if it's been reholdered or recently graded. PSA does not regrade the card when it's reholdered. So an earlier graded PSA 4 that wouldn't grade a 4 today, stays a 4. I sure hope I made sense with my rambling. |
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Thanks for clearing that up. What exactly are those that are choosing to get their cards re-holdered looking for? I can understand if their original is all scratched or whatever, but if not, then why the reholding? Is it to make it look like their card(s) has been recently graded in order to retain a higher value that came with the original grade? Not a bad deal imo, especially since they will know, in most cases, their card(s) will grade lower if they were re-submitted rather than just reslabbed. Lots of tricks in this business, and I learn more everyday.
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Another reason could be when people send in cards for a review, they ask for the card to be reholdered even if the card doesn't get a bump. I imagine newer holders are more appealing to buyers than older holders. Although we know that doesn't always mean a more stricter graded card. We then go back to the one main mantra. Buy the card not the holder. |
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Could part of it be that the card is a bit more 'brownish' (more aged looking) than it would have been when issued? Does PSA (or any TPG) take that into consideration when grading? And to what extent?
It also could just be the scan, but it does look like it is 'browned' towards the edges, even inside the borders. |
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