I don't like Clemente

[JollyElm]

Man, as boring as it was (probably because I already knew the outcome?), watching that 1971 Game 7 was still a trip!! Thanks for posting the link.

A few things immediately stood out:
1. Everyone was so frickin' skinny (save the Boog).
2. The game flew by as the pitchers didn't waste even a second of time. They just got down to business inning after inning.
3. There were no mentions of pitch counts, MPH or anything along those lines.
4. The ball was kept in play, no matter how many times it touched the ground, was fouled off or was hit fair. These days, if a speck of dust gets on a ball, it is immediately thrown out of play.
5. Don't think I saw a single batting glove. And there were no protective pads and not a single piece of bling.
6. Everyone wore stirrup socks and their baseball cap beneath their batting helmet.
7. No ads all over the wall behind the batter.
8. The field was run down, with grooves notched into the outfield ground. Nothing even remotely close to the perfectly manicured, thick grassed stadiums of today.

I loved it, because that's the baseball I grew up watching!!!! (Although Brooksie's weird little helmet brim has always, and will always, disturb me.)

[Empty77]

And, the only voices you heard were the caller, the color guy, and the very infrequent supplemental bits from the dugout guy with the giant-antennae headset and his notecards; nothing like the giant cast of network talking heads that would fill up the air on a modern national telecast of Game 7 status.

[Mark70Z]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

I loved it, because that's the baseball I grew up watching!!!! (Although Brooksie's weird little helmet brim has always, and will always, disturb me.)

Every time I watch the '71 Series I think the O's should have won. The Pirates beat the Orioles in '71 and the '79 Series, but I still pull for them to this day (in the NL of course). Hate the "Miricle Mets" though...

Darren that batting helmet was "COOL"!

[spaidly]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

2. The game flew by as the pitchers didn't waste even a second of time. They just got down to business inning after inning.

When I loaded that video I thought for sure that it had to be a digest or edited. How are they going to get that game done in 2 hours? If I could get in and out of a game in 2 hours on average I would watch so much more baseball! What happened?

BTW, I like Clemente now.

[geosluggo]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Man, as boring as it was (probably because I already knew the outcome?), watching that 1971 Game 7 was still a trip!! Thanks for posting the link.

A few things immediately stood out:
1. Everyone was so frickin' skinny (save the Boog).
2. The game flew by as the pitchers didn't waste even a second of time. They just got down to business inning after inning.
3. There were no mentions of pitch counts, MPH or anything along those lines.
4. The ball was kept in play, no matter how many times it touched the ground, was fouled off or was hit fair. These days, if a speck of dust gets on a ball, it is immediately thrown out of play.
5. Don't think I saw a single batting glove. And there were no protective pads and not a single piece of bling.
6. Everyone wore stirrup socks and their baseball cap beneath their batting helmet.
7. No ads all over the wall behind the batter.
8. The field was run down, with grooves notched into the outfield ground. Nothing even remotely close to the perfectly manicured, thick grassed stadiums of today.

I loved it, because that's the baseball I grew up watching!!!! (Although Brooksie's weird little helmet brim has always, and will always, disturb me.)

I had many of the same reactions! That's also the baseball I grew up watching, but until I watched in real time I didn't appreciate how much has changed -- especially the pace.

[JTysver]

Clemente is most comparable to Vladimir Guerrero. Very similar lifetime stats and also Vlad had a great arm. My understanding is Clemente was a bad ball hitter as well.

[71buc]

I think that's a bit like comparing Renoir to Steve Ditko.

[Jcfowler6]

Originally Posted by 71buc

I think that's a bit like comparing Renoir to Steve Ditko.

Kapow!


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[JTysver]

Guerrero
AB- 8155, H- 2590, HR- 449, RBI- 1496, Avg- .318 Slg- .553, OPS- .931

Clemente
AB- 9454, H- 3000, HR- 240, RBI- 1305, Avg- .317 Slg- .475, OPS- .834

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by JTysver

Guerrero
AB- 8155, H- 2590, HR- 449, RBI- 1496, Avg- .318 Slg- .553, OPS- .931

Clemente
AB- 9454, H- 3000, HR- 240, RBI- 1305, Avg- .317 Slg- .475, OPS- .834

Such comparisons should be accompanied with the note that Vlad never had to try to get one out of Forbes Field.

I'm a big fan of both!


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[71buc]

I don't think you understand. Clemente cannot be reduced to numbers. Jackie Robinson is baseball's conscience and Roberto Clemente is baseball's patron saint. Nonetheless, how many batting titles did Guerrro win, how many Gold Gloves? I'm asking because I really don't know and I assume based on your research you must know. Don't get me wrong. I love Vlad he is deserving of the HOF. However comparing him to Clemente is simply unfair to Vlad and the great career he had. He is no Clemente.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Such comparisons should be accompanied with the note that Vlad never had to try to get one out of Forbes Field.

I'm a big fan of both!


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He also ignored defense and Clemente's greatest asset, his arm. Clemente had 266 assists, Guerrero 126.

[jchcollins]

Clemente's mystique as a ballplayer (much like JFK's mystique as a president...) is somewhat related to the fact that he died an untimely death. Sorry, but it's true. If Clemente were still alive today, I believe that he would be celebrated much like an Aaron or a Mays, but I don't think he would be the #2 PSA registry collected player. Fantastic ballplayer and humanitarian. One of those that would make my top ten list of players I never saw play but wish I had the opportunity to.