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You can be a pitcher and have a .070 on base percentage on the year ..but try that being a DH..see how long you will stay in the lineup. Leagues make rule changes based on 20 years of history (thus they look at modern trends as reality) so you cant just say its only 20 years of history and we need to go back to 1970 as someone else stated... Its not even close as far as how many NL no hitters there have been versus AL in the last 20 years. Lets see the next 2 out of 3 no hitters be in AL parks before we bring this back up. Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 05-18-2017 at 09:38 AM. |
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I don't know what you mean by worth. In 2016 Prince Fielder played 89 games total, 80 of which he served as DH. He hit 212 with a 292 OBP.
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Not many DH's hit 9th or 8th? How many starting pitchers hit 9th or 8th? Why do so many starting pitchers hit 9th? Is it because they are great hitters? There are at least more than a few DH's hitting cleanup or 5th... at least 16 of the last 20 no hitters (thats a large sample size) have been in NL parks.. like i said ..lets wait to see when the next 2 out of 3 no hitters are in AL parks before analyze more.. Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 05-18-2017 at 10:29 AM. |
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I just don't think the DH is as good as you think. Greg Vaughn's career as a DH (over 1600 PA's) amounted to a 218 average. Reggie hit 227 as a DH. Adam Dunn hit 200 as a DH. Cecil Cooper hit 261 with a 298 OBP. The DH isn't always a good player.
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David Ortiz was pretty good as a DH. Matt Holiday/Pujols and many others blow away even the very best starting pitcher hitter. By giving the NL no hitter 90% of the value of a AL no hitter that does account that the DH isnt always good. 10% is not a lot considering all the factors. Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 05-18-2017 at 11:02 AM. |
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Plus 1 hitters with no walks are a lot more impressive than no hitters with 5 walks....chase had at least 3 walks yesterday.. Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 05-28-2017 at 07:58 AM. |
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So if I am reading this thread correctly, only no-hitters in the American League after the institution of the DH in 1973 are valid.
Therefore Sandy Koufax has zero career no-hitters. Nolan Ryan had a combination of AL no-hitters and NL almost no-hitters. I'm not sure if any HOF pitchers have mention of no-hitters on their plaque in Cooperstown, but if so, inserting the word "almost" on their plaque could be problematic. Would an asterisk (a la Maris) be sufficient? And what about poor Johnny Vandermeer. Would his double no-hitter be wiped off the books completely or would it be considered an "almost" double no-hitter. In summation, I would be willing to bet that not one of the proponents of the DH rule change for the American League realized that their proposal would invalidate all prior no-hitters. I say "long live the Almost No-Hitter". For clarity of the linguistics involved, I would propose a different term for no-hitters broken up in the late innings, and would suggest calling these "Nearly No-Nos".
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No you are not reading it correct. I said after 1973, that NL no hitters are worth MORE than AL no hitters (from 1973 and on) Sandy Koufax is safe.. I proposed 10% more value to the NL no hitter or you can have AL no hitters be worth 10% less. Pitch counts and various other factors I contend are showing that NL no hitters are trending to be much easier. (at least 16 of the last 20 no hitters have been in NL Parks). It was last year with all of the 'nearly no-no's that occurred in the NL is what made me come up with this. Plus the chris hestons of the world Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 05-29-2017 at 01:52 PM. |
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Your analysis gives me a headache. I am old school and have been opposed to the DH for 44 years. Why on earth do the two major leagues playing the same game, baseball, have to have different rules. Packer touchdowns should worth 6 points, but Patriot touchdowns should be worth 5 points. Raise the basket to eleven feet for LeBron and lower it to nine feet for Curry. Curry is shorter after all.
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Now that you bring up Curry, i do think the 3 pointers are hurting the NBA as well. You always have the 3 point shot available. Really hard to guard inside and outside. There should e some type of a 3 second rule for those guys that just wait within 2 feet beyind the 3 point line. Just too much of a reward for jacking up 3s. . Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 05-29-2017 at 05:10 PM. |
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Now you're getting wound up about non-no hit games? LOL! I think I'm going to start an autograph collage. All pitchers (AL only) who had their no-hitters broken up after 7 innings. |
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I have a few of his cards autographed, if anybody would like one PM me your address. |
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Oh no! Somebody called me on my bluff. |
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Edinson Volquez...
breaks the drought.
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Well at least 9/10th of a no hitter cause its in the NL.....18 of the last 21 now in NL ballpark.... 1 hitter with no walks still better as well
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