1989 fleer Randy Johnson

[ALR-bishop]

As Darren has pointed out PSA and many dealers, still have problems distinguishing between the regular and green tint 1962s.

Unless graders have several examples of the various versions of the card in front of them I am not sure how they would ever accurately identify a particular card with so many apparent nuances. My guess is that there is not even total agreement among Randy And Billy collectors on how many different versions of those cards exist, and how many fakes.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

My guess is that there is not even total agreement among Randy And Billy collectors on how many different versions of those cards exist, and how many fakes.

That's not a guess Al, that is fact. I have silly large collections of both and I know people with even better collections of Billy than mine. As a group we never agree.

[Hatorade]

https://flic.kr/p/WBcZqJ

They way Fleer produced the Marlboro cards it does make it tough to distinguish between some of them, but with PSA applying the green tint labeling of the common card pictured above it shows they don't have much of a clue about these cards. It seems to me that if they don't have a good enough understanding of the cards then they shouldn't be applying a label to it.

[jacksoncoupage]

Here is a new variation on the blackout "final" version. The edited sign area is covered entirely in a solid black layer that normally extends left on an even level to Randy's ear. This one has a gap. All copies I have seen do not have the gap, until this one.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by jacksoncoupage

Here is a new variation on the blackout "final" version. The edited sign area is covered entirely in a solid black layer that normally extends left on an even level to Randy's ear. This one has a gap. All copies I have seen do not have the gap, until this one.

Cool find. Looks like a print spot/error and not a real variation IMO. Now I will have to try and find one for my print error collection.

[jacksoncoupage]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Cool find. Looks like a print spot/error and not a real variation IMO. Now I will have to try and find one for my print error collection.

Looks like my pic didn't load but I got the card in hand today and it is just a very dark "box" around sign version. False alarm!

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by jacksoncoupage

Looks like my pic didn't load but I got the card in hand today and it is just a very dark "box" around sign version. False alarm!

I got your pic to load for me. It was from Dean's cards. Sorry to hear the card you received didn't have the print spot, have had it happen several time myself.

EDIT: Dylan do you think you got the correct card that you ordered? I collect print errors and have had people send me the wrong card saying "I had 2(or more) and they are the same so I probably didn't send the one in the picture". They didn't realize I wanted the one with the ugly print spot. Also got the correct card and what looked like a print spot turned out to not be there because the card was exactly the same as the one in the picture except the little print error looking area.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by jacksoncoupage

Here is a new variation on the blackout "final" version. The edited sign area is covered entirely in a solid black layer that normally extends left on an even level to Randy's ear. This one has a gap. All copies I have seen do not have the gap, until this one.

Strangely since Dylan's post I have found 3 total with the error he described and had never noticed it before.

Here are pics of the 2 I bought last night. Hopefully when they arrive they still have the variation.

EDIT: After carefully looking at several 100 of the Marlboro error versions today I see the error above his left ear is a fairly common. I have found it on most if not all variations used to cover/obscure the Marlboro sign.

[jacksoncoupage]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Strangely since Dylan's post I have found 3 total with the error he described and had never noticed it before.

EDIT: After carefully looking at several 100 of the Marlboro error versions today I see the error above his left ear is a fairly common. I have found it on most if not all variations used to cover/obscure the Marlboro sign.

The "gap" in the fence/background line is always my tell for a marlboro/cover-up variation when looking at copies not described as Marlboro. It is on every cover-up attempt aside from the full, blacked out "final" correction type.

This is what I thought I was purchasing from Dean's Cards, a true first example of a blacked out backgound version that still had the gap by his ear. The card I got was a dark red box w/ bubble version, which was fairly disappointing.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by jacksoncoupage

The "gap" in the fence/background line is always my tell for a marlboro/cover-up variation when looking at copies not described as Marlboro. It is on every cover-up attempt aside from the full, blacked out "final" correction type.

This is what I thought I was purchasing from Dean's Cards, a true first example of a blacked out backgound version that still had the gap by his ear. The card I got was a dark red box w/ bubble version, which was fairly disappointing.

Ok, I get it know, thank you for the clarification.