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1990 Frank Thomas No Name On Front RC
I normally post on the Autograph thread on Net 54, but I also collect baseball cards ( I have a few hundred thousand cards going back to Old Judge and Topps complete sets to 1959 and many graded and ungraded RCs) but I admit my knowledge is average at best about trends in card prices .
This is why I am coming here to see if someone can offer their opinion about the 1990 Frank Thomas no name on front RC. I have this card ( PSA 7.5 )which I purchased before his HoF induction and I have been watching its price increase over time. I know nothing is a guarantee BUT can anyone give an opinion about this card in general and its value ceiling ? Is it on a bubble that could burst or do people believe it will continue to rise? I realize that a "sudden " find of these would dramatically affect the value of this card but considering that after 27 years there hasn't been a find I would be content assuming that all of these cards have been found, but possibly not graded. Thanks for any opinions. |
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As I don't see him in the top tier of popular all time greats, I would not think at this point there is that much upside relative to the market in general, but that's just an off the cuff opinion.
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All I can say is the card has been a celebrated error/variation for many years-- over 20--, so it's not a recent flash in the pan. I'm sure it will be a popular rarity for years to come. There are longtime desirable 1980s rare variations of common players, so that he is 'only a second tier' HOFer isn't that important. The T206 Sherry Magee error is probably the most desirable error card of all time and obviously Macgee isn't a HOFer . . . It also may be that there was so much over produced stuff in the late 1980s/early 1990s that make the Thomas NNOF rarity so special.
Last edited by drcy; 07-02-2017 at 10:00 PM. |
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I started collecting in that era and have always wanted one. If I had to guess I'd say there is still upside potential. Thomas and griffey were the two top players for quite a while, even if he won't be remembered as an all time great. I'm a buyer if you decide to sell yours.
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May your collecting be joyful, Larry Last edited by ls7plus; 07-04-2017 at 03:20 AM. |
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Larry,
Nice analysis. Are you a baseball scout on the side? . I tend to agree with Larry here. He is generally spot on.....nice card to keep. Good luck either way. Z Last edited by Zach Wheat; 07-04-2017 at 05:46 AM. |
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Unlike Magie/Magee - I don't consider this an 'error' card. It's a print defect. A rare variation, but not an error. Found this picture online. Someone correctly pieced together other cards with print defects and their placement on the sheet. Lots of fakes out there - be careful. |
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Personally I see this card as having a strong demand as people are slowly switching from modern to vintage (even though I wouldn't classify this as vintage). I would recommend holding onto the card as I think this demand will only continue.
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I'm assuming you are NOT the one selling this on eBay through pwcc?:
http://m.ebay.com/itm/1990-Topps-Fra...53.m1438.l2649 Seems to be a real healthy price already..
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No .
That is NOT my card . My card is still tucked nicely away in my safe . |
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Best wishes to all, Larry Last edited by ls7plus; 07-05-2017 at 05:57 PM. |
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Top five nickname.
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Topps 1990 Cards Missing Black
Jon showed a graph above that attempts to explain how the black ink on 10 cards in the set got eliminated on a few examples. The Thomas being the most prominent.
There is a long running thread on CU that expands on that theory https://forums.collectors.com/discus...-my-theory/p19 Last edited by ALR-bishop; 07-08-2017 at 11:15 AM. |
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Just noticed the other day that PSA's price guide for the NNOF went from $40,000 for the gem mint 10 up to $50,000.
Same day my 85 McGwire gem mint 10 went from $700 to $750 lol. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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PSA 7.5 just went for $5100 in a PWCC auction--wasn't your copy, was it?
Best wishes, Larry |
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No it was not mine. Mine is still in my collection and in my safe.
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I hope you guys are right about these prices because the one above set me back $350, and at the time I bought it thought it was a ridiculous price
The second one was only $2.50 Is anyone here working on a full set of the cards shown in the diagram above. I am not but ended up with one of them by accident |
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I assume the $5,100 is a new record for this card?
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I would believe this would be close to a record for this grade , but info on sales is not readily available on this card. I know PSA only lists 8 or higher on its site. I was told by an AH last month that they felt the 7 and 7.5 grades were undervalued, and we could reserve mine at $5500 with an EV of 6K to 7K.
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Interesting to note is that a BGS 8 sold for $4285 last week . I would have expected it to go higher especially after now seeing the PSA 7.5 sell for what it did. Is there that much of a discrepancy between PSA and the rest of the grading companies ?
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Congrats on hanging on tight to yours, Larry |
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Just came across this thread. I really think that the NNOF Thomas, along with a maybe 2 to 3 other cards from the junk wax era, have the potential to increase dramatically in value over the next 10 to 15 years. Misprint or error, it doesn't really matter. Just like the upside flying Jenny stamp or the 3 legged buffalo nickel (had to throw out some non card references), this card has a lot going for it ; initial mystery, hype, a HOFER's RC card, and unintentional scarcity. It doesn't matter if Thomas isn't in the same tier as Ruth, Mantle, Ripken, etc. When was the last time a rookie card of a HOFer came along (before the advent of 1/1's and manufactured SP's), and had such a short overall print run.
I think the true gems of the junk wax era (and there aren't many) have a lot more upside potential than most would probably think. First, like the Thomas NNOF, they are truly juxtaposed against an era of immense overproduction. Secondly, we are a little over that 25 year mark when traditionally the next generation of collectors, who have, or will come back to reminisce and collect their childhood...with an increasing amount of dispsible income. Lastly, the junk wax era and the few rarities found within it sits at the tail end of the 20th century. As we move further away from that into God knows what, I think a lot of collectors will give the 80's and 90's a second look in terms of the true rarities, top grade key cards, and perhaps to a lesser extent higher grade and still under valued (IMO) test issues such as Topps Mylar, '85 Topps Mini, etc. Anyways, just my thoughts on it, but it should be fun to see where things go frome here. |
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Modern Rarities
Wish this guy had done better than he did
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Cool variation though.
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This was one of the greatest errors/misprints of my youth. Just reading this thread made me want to buy one...until I saw the prices on them. I then thought, "these must be obscenely rare if a 7.5 is selling for 5k." But a quick look at the pop reports show there are over 190 graded between psa and sgc (I hate finding bvg pop reports). That's not really rare enough to warrant these prices in my opinion. It's a really cool card, and it's "rare" for FOR THE ERA, but it's a bit steep FOR A POP 200+ card from 1990. But hell, if the market places it at 5k, then that's what it's worth. It's a great card of a great player.
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Today a print run of 300 sounds like a lot, but that is in large part because of all of the various products that are being made, multiple layers of parralels, brands, and inserts. In an investment sense, I think a lot of collectors would rather go after one of 'THE' key cards of an entire era versus 1,000's of manufactured 1/1's, which are becoming increasingly watered down and worthless (except largely for key rookies in key products). |
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I tend to associate the term rare with something like the 61 Dice cards or 67 Stand Ups. The Thomas card to me is scarce but not rare. Still, if you are a Thomas collector or a master set guy, you have to have it. And if you are registry guy you might pay a big premium to get it in higher grade
I am not a print guy but wonder if the card can be easily faked, and if so, how many of those are out there. Have there been any reprints of it and if so are they well marked as such ? The related cards on the sheet ought to show up in similar numbers. Do they ? ( I get that some of them would be harder to spot) Last edited by ALR-bishop; 07-14-2017 at 12:38 PM. |
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I looked quickly and seen no RP designation anywhere? http://www.ebay.com/itm/1990-Topps-4...QAAOSw7PJZZrqY EDIT: What packs/sets/boxes were these NNOF cards from or were they randomly spread about?
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As far as the counterfeiting is concerned I've heard of everything from painting over the blue box (which doesn't hide the gaps in the black border lines) to taking blank front Thomas cards and reprinting over them (wich wouldn't hold up under magnification). Bottom line is I would stay away from any raw NNOF Thomas's, unless you don't mind having to open up cases over a fake card. I know Topps did a reprint or two but those were glossy and had the full black lines if I remember correctly. |
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Thanks Scott. That is good to know.
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Has anyone figured out how these cards were packed out? Rack packs, wax packs, vending?
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Of course, I never pulled one, and all of the 'sightings' from other collectors add to the mystery of how exactly these were sent out. I have two, one being a poor old BGS 3 that I got a couple of years ago with a nice crease line. I've always thought about the kid who must have pulled it, put it in their pocket, and later on realized what they (or someone else) had. If anyone actually pulled, or directly knows of someone who pulled one of these ghost, please post your story. Last edited by Sierra79; 07-16-2017 at 07:19 PM. |
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So glad you got through Irma ok, Larry |
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