Will a Colorado Rockie EVER be Elected to the Hall of Fame?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

see Steve Carlton?

Not at all analogous, a few garbage seasons at an advanced age. Jones fell apart at 30. Plus are you seriously comparing a 329 game winner with 4 CYAs to Andruw Jones in terms of Hall qualifications?

[clydepepper]

[QUOTE=Peter_Spaeth;1683766]Not at all analogous, a few garbage seasons at an advanced age. Jones fell apart at 30. Plus are you seriously comparing a 329 game winner with 4 CYAs to Andruw Jones in terms of Hall qualifications?[/QUOTE]


Not at all. Just tossing out a general comparison about declining years of any career can leave a lasting impression and still wishing that Carlton had heard the voices of reason a little earlier...it was so ugly. My own career ended much the same way, not that anyone noticed...it was a miserable thing to experience and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Not at all analogous, a few garbage seasons at an advanced age. Jones fell apart at 30. Plus are you seriously comparing a 329 game winner with 4 CYAs to Andruw Jones in terms of Hall qualifications?

He didn't "fall apart" he posted wRC+ of 96, 121,132 and 89 over his last 4 seasons. as 100 is avg, his last 4 seasons he was still 10% above avg hitter.

This is why using the traditional stats can be so misleading as they don't give a very deep portrait of production.

you want to talk garbage, look at Pete Rose's last 7 years, I think his total fWAR for those years is under 1

ETA: it was 1.2 total over last 7 years

[Peter_Spaeth]

If Cobb had had 5000 hits Rose would probably still be playing today trying to catch him. Yeah, he clearly hung on too long but I guess with the special circumstances it's understandable.

I just hope ARod once J Lo dumps him or vice versa doesn't decide he still has it in him to catch Bonds.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If Cobb had had 5000 hits Rose would probably still be playing today trying to catch him. Yeah, he clearly hung on too long but I guess with the special circumstances it's understandable.


Clearly...do you see this coming down main street?...he was going against the odds.

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I just hope ARod once J Lo dumps him or vice versa doesn't decide he still has it in him to catch Bonds.

Now, I wouldn't mind seeing that happen...

Then bonds could come back and have a heart attack trying to regain what he thought he had...couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

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[bbcard1]

Understanding it's early, Nolan Arenado may be the best player in baseball not named Mike Trout. Going into this season, he would have appeared to have a 50/50 chance at the hall of fame:

Arenado just completed his age-25 season. The magic number here is 18. That means that 50 percent of the position players who had accumulated at least 18 rWAR through age 25 have made it into the Hall of Fame

He has done nothing at all to hurt that argument this year. Excellent hitter and a defensive 3rd baseman that is reminescent of Brooks Robinson.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bbcard1

Understanding it's early, Nolan Arenado may be the best player in baseball not named Mike Trout. Going into this season, he would have appeared to have a 50/50 chance at the hall of fame:

Arenado just completed his age-25 season. The magic number here is 18. That means that 50 percent of the position players who had accumulated at least 18 rWAR through age 25 have made it into the Hall of Fame

He has done nothing at all to hurt that argument this year. Excellent hitter and a defensive 3rd baseman that is reminescent of Brooks Robinson.

At least this year, his home vs away stats are quite skewed. Hitting almost 50 points higher at home. 54 RBI vs. 35. Homers are pretty even.

[packs]

They put Chuck Klein in the HOF. There's room for guys who play well at home.