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Old 06-30-2017, 02:36 PM
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...I found some more from your lists

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Default Ruble with the full background....




...I can verify , from your lists , these examples ; no scans yet :


.........................Shiver ; Fette ;

.........................And : Rigney ; Stine ; Boken ; Grimes ; Hunter ; Rizotko ; Norman ; Mills


...I'll keep looking....


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Default Your LOTG Trow and McWilliams....

...I have mug-shot portraits versions of Gene and Bill ; I was wondering if you knew about them , since you have the swinging vars ??


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Default The Saints Poster :

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...I've been working on ( actually "picking away at") the other poster from this collection of two , the one with the 19 Millers but here's a view of the Saints poster---the lower right hole is where Larry Rosenthal (batting ) goes back into when he's all cleaned up.......these are positioned onto the back of the large posterboard so that the white borders are not visible but they're all complete ; old brittle kid's construction paper tape is holding them in place... I'll send a list of names in the order of the cards' positions this weekend sometime...


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Hi Mike,

Have you ever seen the Worch George Gibson?
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Hi all,

In response to PMs from folks about specific players-

Andrews and Gibson I have not confirmed in Worch, but there are a lot of MLB players, mostly commons, hiding in the bushes. Like some other issues, because you could request the players you wanted, stars and HOFers are seen a lot more than commons.

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Hi all,

In response to PMs from folks about specific players-

Andrews and Gibson I have not confirmed in Worch, but there are a lot of MLB players, mostly commons, hiding in the bushes. Like some other issues, because you could request the players you wanted, stars and HOFers are seen a lot more than commons.

Tim
And I am sure for those chasing the set it keeps it a lot of fun. Great looking Dizzy card above, don't see too many of those, nor many of the others either.


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Just checking but does anyone have a picture of Roy Spencer's Worch? Always been curious if he's listed Cleveland or not
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Hi Jack,
I don't have a image of Spencer; Mike G. may have one, since he seems to have at least as many Worches as I do-

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Default Trow and McWilliams Portrait Mug Shots , from the poster

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...I have mug-shot portraits versions of Gene and Bill ; I was wondering if you knew about them , since you have the swinging vars ??


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"Gene Trow" and "Bill McWilliams"...in the slow process of cleaning off eighty years of grime ; they were exposed to the atmosphere but fortunately not to sunlight ; still crisp and a lot of gloss remaining...the attribution reads "Photo By Saint Paul Daily News" ; the "Saint" is completely spelled out ; on some others they used the abbreviation "St.".....

...my druggist wants to know why I buy so much alcohol and solvents....


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Default the Saints poster

Hi Mike,
So do I understand you correctly that these are full-size cards that look like they were collected separately and then fitted into the poster (as opposed to a poster from which individuals were cut)?

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...they are very well-done home-made posters -- nineteen Millers and twenty Saints , both "1935"

..cards are intact....


...possibly some new vars. and even new confirmations of your rumored names..

..no Gibson or Crabtree or Spencer or Andrews though...


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I actually believe those posters were issued by Worch.
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They were found in St. Paul, the same city where Worch operated.
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Mike, do you agree that it seemed to have been a Worch issue? It makes sense to me. I know one person I spoke to sees it as more of a Saint Paul team issue of 1935. I would like to get all the names from the poster, which I still don't have. I can get about half, which I'm about to do-

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Top row , left to right as they appear on the card : John Rigney , Ivy Shiver , Stine , Monty Stratton , Phil Todt . Fred Koster , Robert "Bob" Fenner

...middle row :Gene Trow , Jackie Warner ,Angeleo Giuliani , Bob Boken , Lou Fette , Berley ( their spelling ) Grimes

..bottom row :Spike Hunter , Joe Rezotko , Bill Norman , McManus , Howard Mills , Bill McWilliams , Larry Rosenthal


...sorry I'm so late with these...

..These posters were put together by someone who knew what they were doing ; not some kid fan.....very well-done hand-crafted pieces..

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Default the Millers poster?

I hope you'll post the Mpls poster when you have a chance-

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Interesting find this weekend. I already posted the signed Larry Rosenthal card earlier in this thread. I found this second one on Saturday. I didn't realize there were two different Rosenthals in the set. A pretty nice surprise
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The 5(MK) is a new grab...too many differences to list without getting a migraine.....neither flip mentions a var so methinks we may have found yet another new one , Tim ......Tim ??

..Any Worch visible at the National this year ?

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Hi Mike,
Yes, I think you're right that the Simmons is a newly seen variation.

Not many worches at the national, with a couple of exceptions I can tell you more about soon...

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Yes, I think you're right that the Simmons is a newly seen variation.

Not many worches at the national, with a couple of exceptions I can tell you more about soon...

Tim
Keep us in suspense, huh? I think the variations and minutia are cool too but you guys take it to another level on this series. I do love some of the Worch poses. Good stuff!!
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...1933 Worch Cigar Art Shires Columbus Redbirds..: the only thing with a lower population is the line outside of a North Korean Weightwatchers....


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Thanks very much for this thread! Solved a mystery for me. This card has been kicking around our collection for quite some time and I couldn't figure out what on earth it was until now:

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...sir , you just hit the lottery....fantastic condition...is the back clean too ??


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...sir , you just hit the lottery....fantastic condition...is the back clean too ??


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Indeed, it is. I'll try and post a pic later this evening. Can't find another of this particular card anywhere online. Did spot the other variation without the box around the text.
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Some better shots of my card. Some scratches on the upper right side there but looks pretty darn good other than that:







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Also, I just realized the card says "Boston AL" but he's clearly wearing a St. Louis Browns uniform.
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Also, I just realized the card says "Boston AL" but he's clearly wearing a St. Louis Browns uniform.


..and here's his brother as a Cleveland Indian before also winding up in Boston...


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..and here's his brother as a Cleveland Indian before also winding up in Boston...
Very nice. I may submit my Rick Ferrell to SGC tomorrow at the White Plains show.
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Well, he's back from SGC. Looks great but must say I was surprised to see so much daylight between the gasket and the card:

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Well, he's back from SGC. Looks great but must say I was surprised to see so much daylight between the gasket and the card:

Sharp looking card Andrew. I thought SGC puts them in a Mylar Sleeve and then the holder? Is the plastic holder acid free? I'm not to famerial with the kind of holders they use.
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Default new Worch variation

At least I think so. All the other Martins I've seen have the blank background. Sometimes ebay still comes through...
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At least I think so. All the other Martins I've seen have the blank background. Sometimes ebay still comes through...
Great pick up, Tim. Keen eye. I agree that ebay still has hidden treasures every now and then. My only current Worch is still here in post 97. I might have to pick up a few more in the future.
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Default Time for an update on the Worches

Hi all,
Still obsessed with the Worches over here. I continue to compile new variations to the checklist, which is ever-expanding. If you have acquired any recently that you think might be uncataloged, let me know-

I am also trying to compile scans of all the cards. I need scans of all these MLB players. Please let me know if you can supply any, or even just confirm their existence.

Earl Adams
Ivy Andrews
Herman Bell
Estel Crabtree
George Davis
Leo Durocher
George Gibson
Burleigh Grimes
Charlie Grimm
Frank Grube
Jesse Haines
Ray Hayworth
Harvey Hendrick
Billy Herman
Frank Hogan
Hank Johnson
Sam Leslie
Ernie Lombardi
Adolfo Luque
Jim Mooney
Joe Moore
Bob O'Farrell
Ernie Orsatti
Eppa Rixey
Blondy Ryan
Roy Spencer
Casey Stengel
Riggs Stephenson
Gabby Street
Gus Suhr
Danny Taylor
Al Todd
Bill Urbanski
Johnny Vergez
Bill Walker
George Watkins
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Default Burleigh "Berley" Grimes



... Hi Tim The Worch Cigar Premium Grimes I'm cleaning to replace back into the 1935 St. Paul Saints poster has the first name spelled " Berley "----- Berley Grimes vs. "Burleigh Grimes"---what are the odds that it's two different players ??--hopes this muddies the waters for ya....

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Hi "Mike,"
I know, I wondered whether the Burleigh Grimes might be a phantom thread from the Berley in the AA set - especially since no one has actually produced a Burleigh for inspection. But Burleigh was still pitching in 33, so we can't rule it out.

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Hi Ben,

Did you see my note of Friday? I would love to get a pic of your Minneapolis poster for the checklisting effort. I think you have only sent the St Paul one previously. Please email me at apspr@msn.com
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Default Riggs Stephenson

Here is a card that came in a lot of Burke postcards. It looks like a Worch to me. It wasn't shown in the lot on Ebay, so it was a bit of a surprise to receive it.
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That’s definitely a Worch!

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I have never seen a photo of this player to compare to but I am guessing this is "Berley" Grimes for the 1935 St Paul Saints...

Bernell Grimes:
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Hey gang!
I scored the Hugh Critz I was looking for... Many thanks!
Now, I'm looking for a 1933 Worch Cigar Buddy Myer... Anybody have one? Looking for lower grade (i.e. less expensive), but will entertain anything...
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so that anyone newly interested in the set who might not have seen can have the info more accessible
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