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Someone stole this Clemente Rookie at auction
This card has recently sold for $52k, $43K & $36K, now it's going for what PSA 7's were going for last year.
https://goldinauctions.com/1955_Topp...-LOT32885.aspx |
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Lots of amusing underperformers in that auction. The signed Jordan RC estimated at $7500 hammered w/vig at $4500. How about the Williams RC PSA 8 estimated $20K closed at less. The SGC 9 Ryan RC closing below estimate. Either the estimates were out of whack or the bidders stayed away, or some of both. The way I figure it, it was a combo of:
--auction fatigue --overabundance of Clemente RCs --possible market manipulation in the run up --National timing --Goldin's 'great' rep among bidders. I know at least half a dozen high grade collectors who throw his catalog right into the trash unread. I am not a high grade collector but I do the same.
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+1....Clemente got crazy.
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55T clemente
" pretty far " off center ????
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This shows how much the market was manipulated last year. A PSA 8 for $131,450 are you kidding!
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It has been discussed whether money actually changed hands or perhaps its just the buyer winning their own card.... Until i see someone crying that they paid 131k for that card i really cant believe that lone sale.
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Lol.
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+1 Just because it's on VCP doesn't mean it closed. They are just grabbing data from the internet with no reconciliation of payment.
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L/R is what..65/35. not bad. I've seen a lot worse. it's a nice looking card. If it got dinged for that centering, that would be a market swing.
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This didn't come from VCP, it came right off Heritage webpage. Are you saying HA posted selling price without receiving payment?
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That would not surprise me at all. How many closed auctions ever get taken down?
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Wowza. Some folks got stuck holding the bag I'm sure, and can't really say I feel that sorry for them. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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however, the data they gather is only has good as it's source. VCP does not know if the auction was paid for or not, just that it closed. And once it's closed, it makes it's way over to VCP. As the saying goes, garbage in-garbage out. As far as I know, AH's are not required, and do not disclose voluntarily, whether an auction has been paid for or not. This includes e-bay. It's up to you as a buyer to sort through the outliers and determine if real or not. |
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IIRC, you stated, whether money exchanged hands or not, the $80,000 is what the card sold for, so what are you trying to say above, exactly?
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The market was heavily manipulated the past two years we all know it.
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Well, some of us denied it vehemently, and even repeatedly mocked those who claimed it was.
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I wonder how many now believe it wasn't ?
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When the guy manipulating it comes on the forum and says he is doing it, it's hard to dispute it. But some will....
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not just the centering, but the quality overall is down on that card. the registration is off and it has an unpleasant yellow halo sort of effect on the left edge as well as the right side of the bust image and the full body inset.
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Yup. A certain auction house used to do this regularly. Many times I would see the same damn card that "sold" less than a month ago back on ebay at a much LOWER price, so that would tell me it was the consignor and not a would be flipper. One time I even saw a card that was in auction still in the guy's ebay store lol.
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especially since this is actually allowed with consignments to Heritage (due to lax TX law). Huge red flag for me.
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