Ashamed - Topps T206 Buy Back Fraud

[rdixon1208]

Originally Posted by Leon

I was/am hoping Larry will explain some more. I prefer to let folks come clean themselves if possible.

After reading his first post I think he may need to sober up a bit first

[bn2cardz]

Am I safe in assuming it hast to do with these?

https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odk...yback&_sacat=0

[gemmint77]

Great, I have been buying and collecting the Topps T206 buybacks for years. I have about 15 now still in the Topps holder. Have cut about 6 out and had them graded by BVG. What a mess. Lesson learned. Will only buy graded from now on...

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by gemmint77

lesson learned. Will only buy graded from now on...

lol!

[Michael B]

Lesson learned. Will only buy graded from now on...[/QUOTE]

Why wouldn't you just buy raw? From what I have gathered people are paying a premium for cards in a crappy TOPPS cardboard and plasticine holder when the actual card would be considerably less if bought without that holder.

[Stonepony]

"And why would anyone spend all that time and energy committing fraud for what appears to equate to less than minimum wage?"

Ask Battlefield...those low $ transactions fly under the radar but eventually add up to some serious dough

[AddieJoss]

I've read this whole string and wonder if real T206s were put into the buyback holders, or was it fake T206s put into the buyback holders, thus more profitable (and not questioned for authenticity) .
Cory Weiser

[Jantz]

Originally Posted by AddieJoss

I've read this whole string and wonder if real T206s were put into the buyback holders, or was it fake T206s put into the buyback holders, thus more profitable (and not questioned for authenticity) .
Cory Weiser

When I caught him, he was buying authentic/real T206s raw off of Ebay as well as buying Topps Buyback cards with some cheap autographed modern player card inside and switching them.

In my original thread from 2009, I had all three stages of the process laid out. Not the actual switch, but both buying transactions from Ebay, then the "FrankenT206" Buyback. I had posted scans as well, but since then they are no longer in my original thread.

On a good note, at least this time I didn't have to call Leon and interrupt his poker game. Remember that Leon?

Jantz

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

The way to make money is with trimmed a d altered cards. There are definitely a few that fit this description in this instance, and generally people felt safe buying the buy backs because they were vetted.

[drcy]

A funny thing is, and if I'm correct in thinking what were the T206 'buybacks,' Topps usually used really low grade cards, didn't assign a grade, once in a while inserted the wrong issue and people here wondered why people would give a premium to a low grade T206 just because it was in one of those Topps holders.

[CurtisFlood]

Originally Posted by drcy

A funny thing is, and if I'm correct in thinking what were the T206 'buybacks,' Topps usually used really low grade cards, didn't assign a grade, once in a while inserted the wrong issue and people here wondered why people would give a premium to a low grade T206 just because it was in one of those Topps holders.

I got a pretty nice Zach Wheat 205 out of one of these Topps boxes. It was in Ex+ condition. The others were it Fr-Good condition. Maybe it was from the T-205 reprint boxes though. Should have kept the Wheat. Others were really no namers.

[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by rdixon1208

After reading his first post I think he may need to sober up a bit first

Seein' how Leon & 'His Ownself' are Talking about it...
Things can Only get Bettar ~

Larry & Not that my forgiveness is needed ~

You have my Admiration Sir!!! : )

[Pat R]

It's obvious Larry was only ashamed he got caught he's still altering cards and selling them on ebay.

He bought this Turner EPDG on May 24 2020 for $143.50 soaked it in bleach or some other chemical solution re-colored the corners and sold it as a BIN for $175.00 on August 12 2020.

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[vintagetoppsguy]

Definitely the same card.

If he bought it for 143.50 and sold it for $175.00, that seems like a lot of effort to net only about $13 profit after fees.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Definitely the same card.

If he bought it for 143.50 and sold it for $175.00, that seems like a lot of effort to net only about $13 profit after fees.

If you read this lengthy thread,a nd the first one, you will see it was/is his MO. He is the Happy Meal fraudster. Once he got booted from here he called me for a while, to get back on, but I didn't want to hear it. Sounds like the FBI might need to give him another call. I know it's small time but I doubt a Special Agent would think it's funny that he is doing it again after he was already told to stop.
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[Leon]

Hey Pat
Nice find., Just curious why it took over a year to post about it? It's always good to out fraud but just curious

Originally Posted by Pat R

It's obvious Larry was only ashamed he got caught he's still altering cards and selling them on ebay.

He bought this Turner EPDG on May 24 2020 for $143.50 soaked it in bleach or some other chemical solution re-colored the corners and sold it as a BIN for $175.00 on August 12 2020.

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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Leon

Hey Pat
Nice find., Just curious why it took over a year to post about it? It's always good to out fraud but just curious

I just found it while doing some research Leon and although he doesn't have anything listed on ebay right now he was still selling on there recently.