Ashamed - Topps T206 Buy Back Fraud

[Tabe]

Put me in the "don't forgive or forget" camp. This isn't a mistake. It's not innocent. It's deliberate, repeated fraud. And it appears to have been going on for nearly a decade.

And Leon, all due respect, but you need to post what you know right away without waiting for Larry. Every day you wait is another day that an auction drops off of being visible on Ebay if it reaches the time limit...

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Tabe

Put me in the "don't forgive or forget" camp. This isn't a mistake. It's not innocent. It's deliberate, repeated fraud. And it appears to have been going on for nearly a decade.

And Leon, all due respect, but you need to post what you know right away without waiting for Larry. Every day you wait is another day that an auction drops off of being visible on Ebay if it reaches the time limit...

i tend to agree with this sentiment...

[2dueces]

Collectors noticed this problem recently on Ebay this year.. I don't think they had any idea the OP had been called out on it before in 2009. Makes you go hmmmmmmm.

[7nohitter]

That thread from 2009 is eye opening.

I'm wondering if the OP sold to the wrong person and that person is in a position to demand restitution immediately.

I can see Leon's POV in giving Larry the chance to address the issues himself, but there's got to be a "within a reasonable timeframe" caveat to that.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Even without considering the additional cost of acquiring the frames, very little profit there, unless that list is the tip of a larger iceberg.

[iwantitiwinit]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Even without considering the additional cost of acquiring the frames, very little profit there, unless that list is the tip of a larger iceberg.

Exactly, this is ridiculous putting your reputation on the line for pennies. Also, I have to rescind my earlier forgive and forget sentiment given he did not come clean of his own volition it was only after being called out.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by 7nohitter

That thread from 2009 is eye opening.

I'm wondering if the OP sold to the wrong person and that person is in a position to demand restitution immediately.

I can see Leon's POV in giving Larry the chance to address the issues himself, but there's got to be a "within a reasonable timeframe" caveat to that.

I thought 1 day was long enough but regardless of what anyone does, anytime, someone will disagree with it. It really doesn't matter so I just do what I think is best. And I should add that I was also getting advice on some things so not everything can or should be done immediately.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Tabe

Put me in the "don't forgive or forget" camp. This isn't a mistake. It's not innocent. It's deliberate, repeated fraud. And it appears to have been going on for nearly a decade.

And Leon, all due respect, but you need to post what you know right away without waiting for Larry. Every day you wait is another day that an auction drops off of being visible on Ebay if it reaches the time limit...

This hasn't been known long. Things don't happen overnight and this isn't CSI. Here is some more evidence and I don't have more besides before and after scans of almost all, if not all, of the sales below. A heads up was given to me by another board member in a PM to start it all. I contacted Larry, he didn't come clean until then. He was told it was his choice, he could post about it or I would. I will be contacting ebay too but I don't know what my success will be there. Larry is banned from the BST now. I am sure more later...

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by Leon

This hasn't been known long. Things don't happen overnight and this isn't CSI. Here is some more evidence and I don't have more besides before and after scans of almost all, if not all, of the sales below. A heads up was given to me by another board member in a PM to start it all. I contacted Larry, he didn't come clean until then. He was told it was his choice, he could post about it or I would. I will be contacting ebay too but I don't know what my success will be there. Larry is banned from the BST now. I am sure more later...

So he's sorry he got caught, not necessarily sorry he did it (repeatedly).

[Leon]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

So he's sorry he got caught, not necessarily sorry he did it (repeatedly).

That is my take and again, he got caught by another board member who sent me a PM. That PM prompted and started this.....

[T206Collector]

Here's an article about how this could really get out of hand...

http://www.andybroome.com/?p=38

Here's a fake Cobb in one...

https://twitter.com/broomewithaview/...89713622552577

And a thread about removing the cards from the holders...

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=87666

[mr2686]

This hobby, whether it be the card side, autographs or memorabilia is a pretty tight nit community that relies on the honesty of it's core members. Oh sure, there's plenty of fraud all over, but the core of the hobby always tries to keep things honest and on the up-and-up, so when a member of this board since 2009 does something like this (again and again it appears) then it's inexcusable. Just my .02

[jb217676]

Why hasn't Larry told his side about what happened? I think if there was a real reason behind this it would help to get it all out in the open.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Leon

This hasn't been known long. Things don't happen overnight and this isn't CSI. Here is some more evidence and I don't have more besides before and after scans of almost all, if not all, of the sales below. A heads up was given to me by another board member in a PM to start it all. I contacted Larry, he didn't come clean until then. He was told it was his choice, he could post about it or I would. I will be contacting ebay too but I don't know what my success will be there. Larry is banned from the BST now. I am sure more later...

Don't want you to think I was ignoring you, Leon. I appreciate the response.