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Ashamed - Topps T206 Buy Back Fraud
To my fellow friends and hobbits,
I write these words with shame well there's no excuse for what I did. I've already spoken to Leon about this issue and he's been nothing but a friend. Some of those tops by bikes that sold we're putting holders by myself. And I truly apologize we're bringing shame to the Hobby and to myself. I am working with Leon on this issue and I will make full restitution. With that said I humble myself before you and and ask for your forgiveness. Last edited by Leon; 08-10-2017 at 11:42 AM. Reason: to make title more informative |
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Larry my old friend, how are you? I'm not sure what you meant by this line "Some of those tops by bikes that sold we're putting holders by myself."
Hope all is well, you were the first guy I ever bought a card from on Net54! Jeff
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I'm confused
Guess I need to go listen to the music play.
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Topps T206 buybacks?
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"Some of those tops by bikes that sold we're putting holders by myself."
I guess this should read, some of those topps buy backs that sold were put in holders by myself.
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I believe Larry is saying he had T206 cards, cleaned them up, then placed them in
Topps Buyback holders and sold them as such. Last edited by Stonepony; 08-08-2017 at 06:35 PM. |
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Where would unused Buyback holders come from?
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I didn't realize that they carried a premium. I have cut all of mine out to fit in binders.
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Everyone makes mistakes. Assuming you are coming forward on your own accord and assuming restitution is made I say forgive and forget.
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If he has done something wrong and wants to make amends maybe rather than others interpreting or assuming facts, he should take a moment to clarify his initial post and spill all the beans in detail?
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Um
Don't agree with forgive and forget, no offense of course.
Everyone does make mistakes, of course, but I think Leon needs to weigh in here and the bright light of complete honesty and a clear post by the OP needs to happen. From what I can tell, the OP deliberately forged cards and sold them to unsuspecting buyers, perhaps even on this site. And is now asking for forgiveness, but I have no idea whether he was caught or is doing this of his own volition. Tony |
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I'm down with forgive, but I'm part elephant when it comes to the forgetting thing.
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I forgive him yet still no Effin idea what this is about.
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If guilt got to him, then that's one thing, but if he was caught and was told to fess up and apologize, then that's another thing.
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I have a hard time viewing something done multiple times purposely as a mistake.
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I started a thread back in 2009 about this. |
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I have a lot of info but let's see what comes out.
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Who are the hobbit members?
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Why aren't the facts of the matter just laid out? What's the point of us discussing this situation with each other, we weren't involved.
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Didn't this happen a few years ago?
Edited to add: Thanks for the link, Ben. Wow, time flies... Last edited by asoriano; 08-08-2017 at 08:45 PM. |
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Thank you for posting the link Ben.
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I was/am hoping Larry will explain some more. I prefer to let folks come clean themselves if possible. This is new stuff happening very recently, as well as, what looks like at least a few years back.
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Leon Luckey Last edited by Leon; 08-08-2017 at 08:48 PM. Reason: edited to add time frame |
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After reading his first post I think he may need to sober up a bit first
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Am I safe in assuming it hast to do with these?
https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odk...yback&_sacat=0
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Thanks Leon, didn't know how far this went back. How do you get the jersey card out of the T206 Buyback holder without damaging it. I just don't get it.
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Put me in the "don't forgive or forget" camp. This isn't a mistake. It's not innocent. It's deliberate, repeated fraud. And it appears to have been going on for nearly a decade.
And Leon, all due respect, but you need to post what you know right away without waiting for Larry. Every day you wait is another day that an auction drops off of being visible on Ebay if it reaches the time limit... |
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Well at least he beat cancer...
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Why the apology 8+ years later? Did something happen recently, like an investigation? Just wondering what caused this level of regret all of a sudden.
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Collectors noticed this problem recently on Ebay this year.. I don't think they had any idea the OP had been called out on it before in 2009. Makes you go hmmmmmmm.
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That thread from 2009 is eye opening.
I'm wondering if the OP sold to the wrong person and that person is in a position to demand restitution immediately. I can see Leon's POV in giving Larry the chance to address the issues himself, but there's got to be a "within a reasonable timeframe" caveat to that.
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Even without considering the additional cost of acquiring the frames, very little profit there, unless that list is the tip of a larger iceberg.
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That is my take and again, he got caught by another board member who sent me a PM. That PM prompted and started this.....
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Here's an article about how this could really get out of hand...
http://www.andybroome.com/?p=38 Here's a fake Cobb in one... https://twitter.com/broomewithaview/...89713622552577 And a thread about removing the cards from the holders... http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=87666
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This hobby, whether it be the card side, autographs or memorabilia is a pretty tight nit community that relies on the honesty of it's core members. Oh sure, there's plenty of fraud all over, but the core of the hobby always tries to keep things honest and on the up-and-up, so when a member of this board since 2009 does something like this (again and again it appears) then it's inexcusable. Just my .02
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Why hasn't Larry told his side about what happened? I think if there was a real reason behind this it would help to get it all out in the open.
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He was buying raw T206 commons on the cheap and making them look like Topps "Buy Backs" to increase their value. It's all about the $$$. Last edited by bobbyw8469; 08-09-2017 at 09:07 AM. |
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