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7 inning pitchers rule
Classic. Sale was cruising through 7 -- 12Ks, 4 hits, 1 run. Of course, he has to come out because oh my God he had thrown 114 pitchers. Reliever immediately gets tagged.
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Through 7 innings, for a pitcher to justifiably continue, they should be at no more than 100 pitches. That's just today's game. Now, the argument can be made that players today pitch too much when their young, and too little as they age. That's why arms get blown out more often in today's game. Not sure we'll ever see that theory tested, but it is an interesting theory.
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And of course he didn't get any run support. This happens with him a lot; he pitches a gem and either doesn't get any run support and loses, or leaves with a lead and the bullpen blows it.
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What would happen in today's game if you had a new rookie on your team named Warren Spahn and you were the manager?
Warren pitched more than 240 innings for 17 consecutive seasons and recorded 382 complete games. He also pitched effectively well into his 40s and never had Tommy John surgery. After seven innings, if he told me he was okay, I would probably ignore the pitch count. Wouldn't you? I also think there is an ample supply of relief pitchers capable of pitching two innings. With 7-8 one inning wonders in today's bullpens, there are over 200 candidates.
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I would also add after seeing today's game evolve for more than sixty years, there will come a time in the not too distant future when starters will be pulled routinely before completing 5 innings. Perish the thought of having to face the leadoff man three times.
As a result starters will be able to qualify as losing pitchers, but will never be able to win a game. All will have records of 0-X. Imagine that on a Cooperstown plaque.
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anytime i got a 27 percent chance or more to score 2 runs or more in a tie game or down by 2 in the 5th inning or later.....i would take the chance more than the zero times they do it in the NL if the pitch count is still low.. hench they afraid to sit the pitcher..while in the AL they are afraid to keep him out there Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 08-14-2017 at 12:33 PM. |
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^^ Is the exact reason Young's career win record will never be broken!
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These dudes are already on every fifth day as opposed to every fourth which was the norm for most of baseball history. And now for the most part they can't go past the seventh inning? I continue to find it baffling.
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Teams have figured out more and more how to optimize production. It's been shown that that even having a starter might be a bad idea for team wins relative to using a group of relievers who never face a lineup more than once per game. In 30 years, the starting pitcher may be as dead as the spitballer and the slap hitter
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Heck its usually pretty hard for a pitcher to face the same lineup in back to back starts |
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Farrell is nowhere near the class of Billy Martin was in the early 80s in regards to the disregard of pitch counts. Now it becomes more apparent why teams have improved bull-pens as many batters work to stretch counts during each plate appearance.
I read this article a few years ago about Martin: http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul...chers-20110719 |
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Not to mention the dilution of the game-used ball market.
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Must your foul sense of humor pervade every thread?
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Less than 40% of your pervasiveness.
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much less fun to watch tho
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I am sure you are right. I liked watching games, though, much more when the presumption was that your starter was going as deep as he could, when there weren't long delays between every pitch, when batters weren't intentionally trying to jack the pitch count, when there weren't 10 pitching changes a game, etc. Without looking it up I am guessing games are a half hour longer than they were in the 70s on average, if not longer.
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Perhaps they could just keep playing during the commercial breaks and then just show the actual pitches after the ad, like they do in golf. A pitcher walking around the mound, a batter adjusting his batting glove after every pitch and a golfer walking 200 yards between shots are all equally exciting, almost as exciting as 8 hours of coverage for the two minute Kentucky Derby.
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IMO, they need the pitch clock like in the minors to help speed things up.(and ditch replay with the exception of plays at the plate and calls involving borders, like homers and fouls...etc)
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Seriously?
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Sure, why not? You can't bunt foul on strike three. So why not speed the game up by saying you can't foul off more than, I don't know, five pitches? 10 pitch at bats. Move it along.
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And people need to stop looking for ways to change the game in order to speed it up. The game isn't the problem. Advertising and money are. I'm sure back in the day they didn't have 3-4 minute commercial breaks every half inning. Plus, they already changed the game with the intentional walk rule, and games are still 5 minutes longer on average this year than last year.
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If you can't work a walk or put a ball in play within 10 pitches I have no problem calling you out. With an unlimited number, teams just use it as a way to jack up a pitcher's pitch count, and it's mostly boring and time consuming.
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Any breaking ball that hits the ground before reaching or going by the catcher should not be counted as a pitch either and the pitcher who threw it should have to pay for the inevitable replacement ball. Pitch counting devices should only go to 60 and then back to 1. Pitchers with maximum pitch counts of say 90, would then be able to stay in the game indefinitely. Pitcher's gloves should have implanted microphones so that when they cover their lips in mound conferences with the catcher, we can hear what they are saying. The strike zone above home plate should be made of glass. After each pitch if the glass is not broken by either the ball or the bat, it is a "ball". If it is broken, a new strike zone is employed. This would eliminate the need for three umpires and possibly four, if all the other call are made in New York, as if they were challenged. When managerial wisdom reaches the point of not allowing the starting pitcher to face the leadoff man twice, the winning and losing pitchers shall be determined by spinning a roulette-type wheel that includes a slot for every pitcher on the roster. This should be done before the game, and the winning and losing pitchers would then be required to actually play in the game. The final score could be used to award the W and the L. Irrelevant statistics of the past, such as complete games and shutouts, shall be expunged from all records. The pitchers of the future need to play in a safe zone without being intimidated by concepts they are unable to grasp. And finally all players shall go to Cooperstown five years after they retire to pick up their participation trophies.
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