Bvg thoughts???

[glynparson]

Nice secure holder, great at catching counterfeits, terrible at finding alterations, terrible resale value, tough storage of holders. Not sure where the idea of PSA going down hill is coming from I think they have actually improved quiet a bit over the past several years. They are far more consistent than they used to be, though much tighter. BVG has graded far to many trimmed and or sheet cut cards (percentage wise) for me to ever have any faith in their grading abilities. In fact I think they suck as graders but they are good authenticators and there holders are secure as can be.

[toledo_mudhen]

Dont really care for the baggies in the slabs and crossovers from BVG to either of the other 2 has been absolutely terrible - for me anyway.

I have to really really like the card and the price for me to spend on BVG slabbed cards.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by glynparson

Nice secure holder, great at catching counterfeits, terrible at finding alterations, terrible resale value, tough storage of holders. Not sure where the idea of PSA going down hill is coming from I think they have actually improved quiet a bit over the past several years. They are far more consistent than they used to be, though much tighter. BVG has graded far to many trimmed and or sheet cut cards (percentage wise) for me to ever have any faith in their grading abilities. In fact I think they suck as graders but they are good authenticators and there holders are secure as can be.

Agree on the holder., very secure. As I said, I think BVG has some of the best graders in the business. The other graders in the business, whom I have spoken with, think so too. That said, you really don't know what you are talking about with respect to BVG current grading. If you did you wouldn't think the way you do.

ps...I will add that cards in BVG holders don't bring the money of others but that is due to marketing and their old practices which were company mandated (grading sheet cut cards). Sort of like the "hand cut" caveat on all strip cards from SGC, even ones clearly not hand cut. BVG marketing and management leaves a bit to be desired too.

[glynparson]

No offense but I trust my eyes more than yours and I know what i see and I also know what people tell me about getting stuff through. Hell I know several guys that tell people if PSA and SGC reject it for trimmed send to BGS they will usually slab it. Many sheet cut cards have ended up in their holders this is common knowledge in the hobby. I understand thy are nice guys and may be your friends but I think they suck at detecting alterations and I still like you but frankly don't care if you think I know what i am talking about or not because I know what goes on. The alterations I am referring to them missing are trimming and filing they seem to be good at the painting and as i have said seem to be excellent at detecting counterfeits. I am sorry but i truly feel they are VERY poor at determining factory cuts.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by glynparson

No offense but I trust my eyes more than yours and I know what i see and I also know what people tell me about getting stuff through. Hell I know several guys that tell people if PSA and SGC reject it for trimmed send to BGS they will usually slab it. Many sheet cut cards have ended up in their holders this is common knowledge in the hobby. I understand thy are nice guys and may be your friends but I think they suck at detecting alterations and I still like you but frankly don't care if you think I know what i am talking about or not because I know what goes on.

I don't know anyone at BGS. Yes, the head grader at BVG is a friend of mine. When I sold my collection a few years ago it all went to SGC to be graded....But I do submit some things to Beckett too....
It (BGS) is different graders (same company) than BVG.....very poor marketing on their part especially with the whole BCCG numbering thing too. I might not disagree with you on their other subsidiaries but we can just agree to disagree on BVG otherwise. And I agree BVG doesn't bring the money either but it's not the grader's fault on that.

[botn]

Originally Posted by glynparson

No offense but I trust my eyes more than yours and I know what i see and I also know what people tell me about getting stuff through. Hell I know several guys that tell people if PSA and SGC reject it for trimmed send to BGS they will usually slab it. Many sheet cut cards have ended up in their holders this is common knowledge in the hobby. I understand thy are nice guys and may be your friends but I think they suck at detecting alterations and I still like you but frankly don't care if you think I know what i am talking about or not because I know what goes on. The alterations I am referring to them missing are trimming and filing they seem to be good at the painting and as i have said seem to be excellent at detecting counterfeits. I am sorry but i truly feel they are VERY poor at determining factory cuts.

I agree completely Glyn and know your experience and qualifications for detecting altered cards. I know of a couple of dealers who go the Beckett route after SGC and PSA boot their cards. Sadly I have heard far too many horror stories from collectors, as well as my own experiences, of recently graded Beckett cards which do not cross at any grade and when the same cards have been broken out, they have not regraded and it is usually for trimming.