Black Swamp Find E98 set break

[hshrimps]

I guess it is expected but whoever can afford the nicest set together probably doesn't care the $200k hit..... probably can write off from taxes.

[sterlingfox]

I think it will eventually start going back up again, but it will take some time.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by sterlingfox

I think it will eventually start going back up again, but it will take some time.

nope...I disagree.

[sterlingfox]

As they get absorbed into collections and become less available, they will gradually begin the upward trend. It's only a matter of time.

Look at how many high grade T206s are out there, and they continue to rise.

The only thing to be leery about is paying what they sold for a few years ago.

You'll also notice that the player/background combos that weren't a part of the find have maintained healthy values in mid to low grade.

Originally Posted by ullmandds

nope...I disagree.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by sterlingfox

As they get absorbed into collections and become less available, they will gradually begin the upward trend. It's only a matter of time.

Look at how many high grade T206s are out there, and they continue to rise.

The only thing to be leery about is paying what they sold for a few years ago.

You'll also notice that the player/background combos that weren't a part of the find have maintained healthy values in mid to low grade.

i'll agree to disagree with you on this one. you can't compare desirability of e98 to t206.

factors that will keep e98 bs find cards down are as follows:

-there will always be those skeptical of this find's legitimacy.

-the fact e98 is not associated with any "brand"

-the highest graded big names will always price many collectors out of the running

i see trend mirroring the rest of the hobby...common bsf cards will continue to be priced low...exp off centered ones.

the cobbs/wagners will maintain much of their value but less than initially sold for in some cases.

I do agree that colors/players not in the find will maintain/appreciate somewhat more than those present.

[sterlingfox]

At the very least, I can see the BSF cards maintaining their current levels, which are abysmally lower than what they initially sold for - especially the HOFers. Some of them have sold for as little as 20% of their initial sale price in the past year or so.

The trend upward may take another decade or more to begin and will be extremely gradual. At a much slower rate than the popular T cards.

If it's determined that these were all fakes, then of course they will become worthless, but otherwise, they are incredibly beautiful for their age, regardless of no branding.

The off centered ones will always be much cheaper, but that's a trend across the entire hobby.

Highest graded big names in any release will always "price many collectors out of the running".

Originally Posted by ullmandds

i'll agree to disagree with you on this one. you can't compare desirability of e98 to t206.

factors that will keep e98 bs find cards down are as follows:

-there will always be those skeptical of this find's legitimacy.

-the fact e98 is not associated with any "brand"

-the highest graded big names will always price many collectors out of the running

i see trend mirroring the rest of the hobby...common bsf cards will continue to be priced low...exp off centered ones.

the cobbs/wagners will maintain much of their value but less than initially sold for in some cases.

I do agree that colors/players not in the find will maintain/appreciate somewhat more than those present.

[ullmandds]

for the record...I DO NOT believe they are fake/repro.

[hshrimps]

But it would be tough to inject hundreds of PSA 8 & 9 quality vintage card into the market (even slowly). Someone will definitely flag those as high quality reprints and people start asking where/how the printer found those vintage cardboard and printing plates etc.

[hshrimps]

All auction houses would suggest using "honest approach" to notify the hobby of such important find and make them available (pretty much) all at once. Since they all know if they wait and introduce them into a few auctions then the opportunities may swim to other auction houses. We are talking about quarter to half a millions of consignment/buyers fees.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by hshrimps

I guess it is expected but whoever can afford the nicest set together probably doesn't care the $200k hit..... probably can write off from taxes.

agree. many in the hobby are still leary of these cards.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by hshrimps

I guess it is expected but whoever can afford the nicest set together probably doesn't care the $200k hit..... probably can write off from taxes.

I'm pretty sure he cares. No one wants to take that kind of hit regardless of their net worth.

I've wondered on finds like that if someone would be better off not announcing the big find and introducing the cards to the hobby one at a time every few months or so.

[Gradedcardman]

The cards were amazing but simply brought to market the wrong way. I am sure the owners of the cards wanted them all done quickly so they could capitalize on the novelty and immediate interest but many many dollars left on the table by not being patient.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I'm pretty sure he cares. No one wants to take that kind of hit regardless of their net worth.

I've wondered on finds like that if someone would be better off not announcing the big find and introducing the cards to the hobby one at a time every few months or so.

exactly...if say a psa9 or 10 cobb or wags was put up for auction with no mention of the find it would have brought huge money as no e98 had ever been graded so high.

but then again...there were so many cards in this find that eventually the jig would be up...but those first few cards could have brought huge huge $$$$$$.

[mantleman]

Just curious. Do you think if the find was not advertised and they submitted a lone Wagner (which turned out to be a 10), do you think it would have been graded or deemed fake, given they did not have the back story or others from the same find to compare to.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by mantleman

Just curious. Do you think if the find was not advertised and they submitted a lone Wagner (which turned out to be a 10), do you think it would have been graded or deemed fake, given they did not have the back story or others from the same find to compare to.

I’m gonna say graded. Having held a few of these in recent months I can say without hesitation that these are the real deal. They don’t scream “fake” at you when you hold them - they scream “Glorious!”

[mantleman]

Ok thanks. Haven't held any myself but just going off what some people say here are suspicious cards or suspicious find.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by mantleman

Ok thanks. Haven't held any myself but just going off what some people say here are suspicious cards or suspicious find.

The only thing I’m suspicious of are the population reports.