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Looking for proof (D303 Mothers' Bread)
Scully: I need something to put my back up against, Mulder. I need scans!
Mulder: I know. I feel the same way. We've got The X-Files and Zach's Lousiana Cards website, and I believe what we're looking for is out there. I'm more certain than ever the truth is out there, Scully. Scully: I've heard the truth, Mulder. Now what I want are the answers. I need scans of D303 Mothers' Bread Bressler and Lajoie before I can believe, Mulder! Can anybody help Mulder and Scully find the truth? Do the D303 Mothers' Bread Bressler and Lajoie exist, or are the checklists just wrong? |
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Steve
SInce there is definitely a D303 General Baking Lajoie I have to think there is a Mothers Bread hiding somewhere. I think one pops up eventually. And these were from my last collection...
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D303 Bressler and Lajoie
Steve I have owned a General Baking Lajoie but I have never seen a Mothers Bread Lajoie. I have never seen a Bressler either and have serious doubts about it existing. However, with your discovery of the Eddie Foster Mothers Bread it could still be out there.......Jerry
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Hey Leon and Jerry,
Thanks for the input -- here are some of my thoughts:
Here's a couple of cards for show and tell. Foster pictures Clyde Engle. Matty and Speaker have my favorite blazing sunset backgrounds. The Matty is the nicest PSA 1 I think I'll ever own. Cheers, Steve Last edited by brass_rat; 01-15-2018 at 05:58 PM. Reason: pronoun clarification |
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The truth is out there......
Really nice cards. Love this issue |
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catalogued
Does anyone know who first catalogued the Mothers' Bread cards?? The early price guides I have don't even mention them...in fact when I first came across them I didn't view them as separate....it would be interesting to know if maybe that person has seen a Bressler.....Jerry
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Also, to clarify the Bressler pose prediction with respect to players/positions/poses, I'll copy over some info from my Nov. 2016 post introducing Eddie Foster to the checklist.
In the case where the player is in the Mothers' Bread set but is not in the E106 nor D303 General Baking sets, the Mothers' Bread player images are of other players from the same fielding position in the E106 set. Both Eddie Foster and Clyde Engle are third base, 3b. Other players in the Mothers' Bread set but not in the E106/D303-GB sets include: Felsch (Demmitt pictured, both are position c.f.) Louden (Knabe pictured, both are position 2b.) Meyer (Jacklitsch pictured, both are position c.) Morgan (Doolan pictured, Morgan is 2b. and Doolan is s.s., but Doolan played 2b. and s.s.) Weaver (Tinker pictured, both are position s.s.) |
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Here are my D303 GB Lajoie and D303 MB Louden
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Thanks for sharing, Andy!
Louden is one of those players that helps pin down 1916 as the release date for the Mothers' Bread cards. Louden's only season with Cincinnati was 1916, having been acquired on December 23, 1915. Also, the following info will further my suspicion that Hooks Wiltse is the "pictured player" on the Bressler, should anyone choose to show the card. All of the "pictured players" in the Mothers' Bread set were basically on their way out of baseball by 1915. In that context, it makes sense that players would be substituted in a 1916 issue. Hooks Wiltse's 1915 season was his last, split between the minors and the Federal League. "Pictured Player" (Mothers' Bread player caption in parenthesis):
Research possible thanks to baseball-reference.com. Here's Bressler's 1916 batterymate, Rube Meyer (Fred Jacklitsch pictured). Cheers, Steve |
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Bressler
Steve, I think you are probably right.....I checked my old SCD catalogs and the 2000 version does not list Mothers Breads but the 2006 one does and it lists a Bressler so someone must have seen or heard of one.....unless it is like the T206 Hustlers and just reputed to exist.........Jerry
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Hey Jerry! Thanks for scanning this checklist that I'm attaching below.
A few interesting things:
Thanks! Steve |
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SCD Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards
here is 2002 shown as 1914 and 2004 shown as 1916 respectively
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Thanks Leon.....that's interesting that the 2002 version just listed the General Baking checklist for the Mothers Bread cards while the 2004 version listed the Mothers Bread checklist...so in 2004 the Bressler was listed........Jerry
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Who put together the SCD checklist/book in 2004? Any author/contact info? Seems like we need to track that guy down.
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That's great -- thank, Leon!
Now I'm really interested to see what was in the 2003 edition. This is what we call progress... |
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Hi Steve,
I meant to check my stockpile of SCD/Krause Standard Catalogs when I returned from FL in early February, but my Alzheimer's-like memory failed me again, until now. Yes, I do have the 2003 (12th Edition) Catalog, and below are scans of the D303 Mothers' Bread listing. This listing appears to be identical to the 2004 listing, except for the addition of Buck Weaver for 2004. BTW, I would love to obtain a 1919 Mother's Bread strip card of WaJo, which just happens to be included in the scan below. Best, Val
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20th Edition (2011) has updated player list for the D303 (same descriptive paragraph as above post. The Mother's Bread though is listed as 1920-21
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I emailed SCD when this thread was last on the front page to see if they had notes on the checklist. They told me they did not have any info and that Bob Lemke was the compiler. Does anyone know what became of his research and notes when he passed away?
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Almost a year later, thanks Val and Bob for posting those additional checklist scans.
I just wanted to bump this thread, as I am still looking for scans of Bressler and Lajoie! Just finding scans of them would make for a pretty great year for my 2019 collecting. Cheers, Steve |
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And I will bump it again to remind myself to check some other hobby references, as well as see if anyone else reading now, that didn't read it before, has any new info?
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I just wanted to bump this before the Texas show this weekend...
If you're chatting with friends or dealers and there's a pause in the conversation, don't be shy about bringing up this thread. Perhaps some folks neighboring Louisiana might have some information... |
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W514's
How much do we know about the W514 Mother's Bread cards?
I think there were several Mother's Bread business that were spread around the country. There was Mother's Bread in Grand Rapids, Michigan in 1915, and in Indianapolis in the 1930's, and in Pittsburgh in 1904. Were these W514 Mother's Bread cards issued by the same Mother's Bread company that issued the D303's in Louisiana? PSA shows them as 1919-1921 and Krause shows them as 1920-21. The D303's say "Mothers'" and the W514's say "Mother's". I doubt that the W514''s have anything to do with Louisiana, but I would like to hear other opinions. Thanks, Rick
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Two years later, Mulder and Scully (see post #1) are still looking for proof of the D303 Mothers' Bread Bressler and Lajoie...
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Was just reading through this and would agree that it seems 1916 was the release date. Tinker was with the Whales in the Federal League in '14 and '15- but his Mothers' card lists him as Chicago Am. He became the Cub manager in '16. Whether it was confusion between which club he was managing or an error in print, it seems clear that it happened after the '15 season.
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I looked up Roy Hartzell's stats and realized that he is not "Topsy" Hartsel, so I've got that going for me.
Hartzell's last year in the majors was 1916. He played 33 games for New York...
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That is a beautiful card. These are really tough in nice shape.
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Thanks, Leon. Here's the only other MB card I have. I would like to add more in any grade. It's amazing how much info Steve has compiled on these. Is the Lajoie thought to be the portrait?
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"Nearly one year" bump... . Still looking for proof of Bressler and Lajoie.
Sorry for not responding, Rob -- yes, the Lajoie (if it exists) should be the portrait with the "2b. Phila. Americans" caption. |
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As we move into fall, I’m still looking for Bressler and Lajoie. I’d love to confirm them for the set.
I’ve enjoyed re-reading this thread and welcome any more comments about D303 Mother’s’ Bread. Steve |
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Are any of those blank back t216/d303 available with either if those 2?
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I'm not aware of any blank back Lajoie portrait, but I'll admit I don't follow those closely.
Bressler isn't in any of the related sets, and this leads me to believe that his card actually exists. In post #4 I detail more about why I think it exists and which picture I think is on the front (Hooks Wiltse). |
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I listed the D303 Mothers' Bread Bressler and Lajoie as my "white whales" in the recent thread.
Just wanted to give this thread a one-year bump in case anyone might have a lead that could confirm the existence of these two cards. Posts 4 and 7 detail my prediction regarding the Bressler card. |
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Thanks for the bump Steve, great info and beautiful cards.
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