Does PWCC tell the truth? - baseball signs

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Like you're some kind of arbiter for all this! You think these pieces are good, do you? And if you're going to disparage people here, why not stop being chickenshit about it and name names?

Hank, you're an idiot.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Hank, you're an idiot.

Well played.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Hank, you're an idiot.

Thanks for making my point.

[ruth-gehrig]

Brent thanks for your reply but I'm thinking just ignoring my original post and acting like you never saw it would have probably served you better.

You could more or less quite most of the skeptical ones here by posting at the very least the results of a simple blacklight test.

Your silence is saying more than you ever could and completely ignoring the second item I mentioned is saying even more.

[murphusa]

The Hassan display was made by Helmar in 2009/2010. At the time they sold for $150/200. Helmar made 40 or so

http://www.net54baseball.com/archive...?t-121734.html

[Brent Huigens]

Thanks to the board! It looks like there's been some good detective work and this is exactly why the message boards are valuable to us.

I'm admittedly humbled by my incorrectness on this topic. The aging on this piece is convincing. I and others have been fooled to say the least; not the first time.

The auction has been ended.

P.S. we rarely post on the boards in an effort to allow the communication to flow freely without pressure from larger companies. So no offense to those members who felt ignored. Not personal. Even now I would have not thought to re-post had a member not emailed me directly to make me aware of the Helmar production (thank you to that member for reaching out).

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Brent Huigens

Thanks to the board! It looks like there's been some good detective work and this is exactly why the message boards are valuable to us.

I'm admittedly humbled by my incorrectness on this topic. The aging on this piece is convincing. I and others have been fooled to say the least; not the first time.

The auction has been ended.

P.S. we rarely post on the boards in an effort to allow the communication to flow freely without pressure from larger companies. So no offense to those members who felt ignored. Not personal. Even now I would have not thought to re-post had a member not emailed me directly to make me aware of the Helmar production (thank you to that member for reaching out).

Right call to have ended it. It happens. Might want to skip getting the opinions of those four collector/investors in the future. What I have learned in short time here, though I have lurked well before I joined, is there are some very astute collectors on this board. Many times posts here have saved me money, time and embarrassment, for which I am grateful.

[RedsFan1941]

hopefully pwcc will receive the same love fest and attaboys for ending this auction as were heaped upon the auction house in the thread about the fake 52 topps mantle that lasted until the auction closed.

[sirraffles]

This isn't a Helmar item and we don't make reproductions as I am far too busy making original art cards for our collectors. I think I saw an ad in SCD years ago offering this sign; probably the last time that I actually looked through the magazine. Charles

[ruth-gehrig]

Originally Posted by Brent Huigens

Thanks to the board! It looks like there's been some good detective work and this is exactly why the message boards are valuable to us.

I'm admittedly humbled by my incorrectness on this topic. The aging on this piece is convincing. I and others have been fooled to say the least; not the first time.

The auction has been ended.

P.S. we rarely post on the boards in an effort to allow the communication to flow freely without pressure from larger companies. So no offense to those members who felt ignored. Not personal. Even now I would have not thought to re-post had a member not emailed me directly to make me aware of the Helmar production (thank you to that member for reaching out).

Excellent job Brent but you're only half way there. I'm not going to stop reminding you about the other sign you still have up that is FAKE that keeps getting ignored. It needs to be pulled as well.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1941-Louisv...EAAOSw5Z5biZKh

As reference the last time a similar fake was sold was out of Indiana by acofind on ebay.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-LOU...AAAOSwYutax64C

[CW]

Interesting, Jim. The piece auctioned by PWCC and the piece from this prior thread have the exact same dimensions, too.

PWCC showed this piece to several people at the National to determine authenticity. I might suggest that the next time something "different" like this show up, they simply ask for an opinion here. While not everyone here is an "expert", enough eyes would see the thread and an accurate assessment can usually be made in a few days.

edit: just saw Brent's response. Good result in the end.

[murphusa]

Thanks CW. Got stuck on a two hour conference call this morning and figured I would look around. Look at the different examples of the display. Tried to find what the differences were. The 3 piece display and the Philadelphia Magazine/Paper ad both had one thing in common that this example did not have. I went back and reviewed other displays and posters from Hassan and they also were the same and different from this piece.

Every item Hassan made never had a finished lower edge. It was always blank. This item had a finish to it. This display also closed in the top of the display by the bats which the magazine/newspaper ad did not do so it was not a direct copy of that medium.

About 5 search pages in, I saw the Net54 line. Funny, neither Mark or I who commented on both threads forgot we had looked at this before.

[gnaz01]

So, I will throw in my .02 cents (no change required)

I bought one of these several years ago, well before Helmar was in business making some of these. I did ue MY blacklight (not PWCC's ) and it did not fluoresce. I am NOT saying anything about authenticy, I paid very little as I thought it was a cool display piece. I can confirm that it s pretty good quality and upon looking at it through a 10x loupe, I do not see any typical "dot matrix" patterns whatsoever....

Question away as I still do have it in my possession.

Thanks,
G

[sirraffles]

Just pointing out that Helmar did NOT make this sign. Charles