Are UZIT cards as scarce as BROAD LEAF 460 cards ?

[t206kid]

Ted those numbers are incorrect...what I posted above is several months old, so I'm going to refresh the numbers

TOTAL POP:
Broad Leaf 460: 37 PSA + 46 SGC = 83 total
Drum: 135 PSA + 88 SGC = 223 total
Uzit: 143 PSA + 119 SGC = 262 total

TOTAL SUBJECTS:
Broad Leaf 460: 28 confirmed
Drum: 126 confirmed (I think)
Uzit: 58 confirmed

PER SUBJECT:
Broad Leaf 460: 83/28 = 2.96
Drum 223/126 = 1.77
Uzit 4.52

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by t206kid

Ted those numbers are incorrect...what I posted above is several months old, so I'm going to refresh the numbers

TOTAL POP:
Broad Leaf 460: 37 PSA + 46 SGC = 83 total
Drum: 135 PSA + 88 SGC = 223 total
Uzit: 143 PSA + 119 SGC = 262 total

TOTAL SUBJECTS:
Broad Leaf 460: 28 confirmed
Drum: 126 confirmed (I think)
Uzit: 58 confirmed

Jay

We are in agreement with the BROAD LEAF 460 numbers. Yours is 83 and mine is 79 (I deducted 4 because I have 1st hand knowledge that 4 subjects were crossed-over,
therefore they appear twice in the Pop Report data).

At least that tells me we are reading from the same source. However, your UZIT numbers are way out of whack !
Where the heck did you get "262" ? ?


Incidentally, 151 - DRUM's have been confirmed.


TED Z

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[Pat R]

t206resource has 153 Drums confirmed.
http://t206resource.com/Drum%20350%20Checklist.html

[tedzan]

Pat

Resource claims Chase (blue portrait) and Mathewson (dark cap) are "confirmed" with DRUM....well let's see some scans to verify this is true ? ?

It's their same type of claims that Ames is confirmed with AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 and UZIT. Or, their claims that Chance (batting), Bergen (catching),
Murray (portrait), Overall (blue sky) are "confirmed" with PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42.


Sorry, but these claims are "fake news" !


TED Z

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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Pat

Resource claims Chase (blue portrait) and Mathewson (dark cap) are "confirmed" with DRUM....well let's see some scans to verify this is true ? ?

It's their same type of claims that Ames is confirmed with AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 and UZIT. Or, their claims that Chance (batting), Bergen (catching),
Murray (portrait), Overall (blue sky) are "confirmed" with PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42.


Sorry, but these claims are "fake news" !


TED Z

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Ted, maybe you should be careful who you accuse of "fake news".

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[t206kid]

These are where my numbers are coming from. Plus, on my spreadsheet (again admittedly data is a few months old) I have 235 cards individually attributed to players.

[t206kid]

Doing some spreadsheet manipulation...

Of the 28 confirmed BL460s, 19 (67.8%) have a combined population of 1, 2, or 3. Highest pop BL460 is a tie between Rucker pitching and Willis throwing with 6.

Of the 58 confirmed Uzits, 25 (43.1%) have a combined population of 1, 2, or 3. Highest pop Uzit is at tie between Cobb bat off, Jennings both hands, and Merkle throwing with 12.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Ted, maybe you should be careful who you accuse of "fake news".

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There goes that libelous Mr. Archive again!

[tedzan]

Hey Pat


Looks like you stayed up till 1 AM in the morning searching thru my 6896 posts trying to find something negative to "slam" me with.
This is not the 1st time you have resorted to this type of "negative" posts here against me. You have done this numerous times over
the past years.

I have never INITIATED negative posts against you. However, I have responded to your's. As Billy Joel once said...... "I DIDN'T START THIS FIRE" !

For whatever reason(s), you seem to have a problem with me. Well, just email me and we can discuss whatever privately online. I'm an easy going
guy and I'm sure we can resolve our differences privately.

Anyway, your time would be better spent informing your buddies at T206resource that they are misleading T206 collectors by claiming the following
cards are confirmed.....

Ames (hands above head) with AB 460
Ames (hands above head) with UZIT

Chance (batting) with PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42
Bergen (catching) with PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42
Murray (portrait) with PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42
Overall (blue sky) with PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42

Hey guy, I am not the only one on this forum that has told them of these errors in their listings.


Incidentally, that old post of mine regarding the blue Chase with a DRUM back was a mistake. I subsequently corrected it. I have been
looking for this DRUM card since the mid-1980's to complete my blue Chase sub-set...…









TED Z

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[scottglevy]

I’ll limit my comments to the glorious period of time from the early 1980s to the mid 1990s. During that time my dad and I had the amazing experience of buying several complete or near complete T206 sets and many thousands of other T206 cards in raw lots ranging from a few dozen to several hundred. In all, we’ve probably owned at least 5k - maybe even close to 10k T206s at some point - although never at the same time. It sounds impossible now, but at one point average cards cost $1 and even Cobb was under $50.

During those earlier years, many folks didn’t know much or care much about the backs - especially when you purchased a set or a large lot of cards.

I can say that Dad or I never found a raw Cobb/Cobb, Brown Lenox, BL460 or drum. While this is a small sample, it’s interesting to note the tougher backs that we’ve found as.
1 brown old mill (probably shouldn’t count this as I saw the image before I bought the lot)
2 Red Hindu
3 Uzits (one was on a Cobb batting!!)
And at least 3 of all other back varieties (although Black Lenox, BL350, P42 and Carolina Brights were all probably on “close to 5” end of things).

I’m not suggesting from my small sample that we should re-rank rarity, however, it is interesting that I never came across drum or BL460 - and I very rarely even saw them in the raw collections that we didn’t get a chance to buy (in fact, I NEVER saw a BL460 in a raw collection - except for one time, where the seller explicitly knew it was there and made sure to say as much.

[barrysloate]

Hi Scott- 5,000-10,000 cards is not a small sample IMO. I think that's a large enough number to make a lot of determinations regarding what is scarce and what is not.

I also probably handled somewhere around 10,000 T206, some unsearched from original collections, and some bought at auction which were likely cherrypicked. As I said on a different thread, I once bought an original collection with two Drums, but that was by far an outlier. Virtually all original collections I bought did not have rare backs in them.

But I also remember how inexpensive those backs were in the 80's and 90's. When I had Drums and Uzits I might get $125-150 each for them. I also remember Brown Hindus got a small premium over a common. So if commons were $15 I would sell a BH for $25. It's comical looking back how affordable this stuff once was. But it won't be ever again.

[tedzan]

I've kept a few of my UZIT's....and, in the past 10 years I have sold these......


Sold for $2900 (2017)
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Sold for $5925 (consigned to REA 2013....this Herzog / UZIT is the only one known)






Cash/trade deal....$1200 + $500 value in trade (2012)
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Sold for $1650 (2008)




TED Z

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[RedsFan1941]

how many broad leaf 460’s have you had/sold over the years Ted?

[Leon]

Just by thinking about how many I have seen I would say there are more Uzits.

[tedzan]

Hey guys

Of course we've seen more UZIT cards than BROAD LEAF 460 cards. The numbers favor this observation.
More than twice as many UZIT subjects have been confirmed than BROAD LEAF 460 subjects.
However, the scarcity factor of these two backs is very close.


.......... 28 confirmed out of a possible 35 printed

........ 58 confirmed out of a possible 74 printed




TED Z

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