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[Neal]

Vintage only collectors wear blinders

[MichelaiTorres83]

Originally Posted by Neal

Vintage only collectors wear blinders

Modern only collectors have not had their bubble pop yet to realize that they are in a super bubble of cosmic porpotions.

[ullmandds]

I find it humorous how bunches of modern collectors are coming here on a strictly vintage site trying to tell us what we should think. Kind of like how people go on missionary trip to the Middle East trying to sell Christianity it usually does not end well For them!

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

I find it humorous how bunches of modern collectors are coming here on a strictly vintage site trying to tell us what we should think. Kind of like how people go on missionary trip to the Middle East trying to sell Christianity it usually does not end well For them!

Most of these modern collectors (with whom I happen to agree) have been on this vintage site for years. Which begs the question....why do so many modern collectors have a healthy respect for vintage while many vintage collectors can't return the favor?

[Neal]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

Most of these modern collectors (with whom I happen to agree) have been on this vintage site for years. Which begs the question....why do so many modern collectors have a healthy respect for vintage while many vintage collectors can't return the favor?

Exactly

I collect both
Just recently jumped into the modern market - which is bigger than most realize

but here is a nice card I own

1921 Exhibits Ruth.jpg



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[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by MichelaiTorres83

Modern only collectors have not had their bubble pop yet to realize that they are in a super bubble of cosmic porpotions.

I grew up collecting both modern and vintage. The "bubble pop" myth has been bandied about since the mid-80s.

[aconte]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

I grew up collecting both modern and vintage. The "bubble pop" myth has been bandied about since the mid-80s.

+1 I laughed when I read that comment. I also collect both modern
and vintage. Got Ruth, Cochrane, Simmons, etc. Modern have Griffey, Trout, Acuna etc......

I always wonder if the reason some vintage collectors say modern is a bubble or
junk is because they worry as years go by less and less collectors want some
of the stuff in their arsenal. It happened with stamps.

did someone say Acuna!



Edited: Not to upset too many on a pre-war board but here is a Cobb I picked up recently. Was broken up from an REA lot.

[Peter_Spaeth]

My newest card is the unsigned one.

[Neal]

That is a tough card Peter - better not get stuck with it when the bubble pops!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Neal

That is a tough card Peter - better not get stuck with it when the bubble pops!

If he starts hitting again like he is capable of, I'll be just fine.

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

More so than with the Jordans, unless unbeknownst to me few Drums were produced for the express purpose of creating a collectible in short supply. To me, limited production modern insert cards are all artificially scarce.

This is where I have been for all my adult years of collecting. I prefer something that is rare because it's evolved that way over time, and we really don't know how many there are. Bottom line for me is I cannot go into the local 7-11 and hope to find anything I'd enjoy.
Production limits to create scarcity don't do anything for me. Bradford Exchange plates come to mind from back when I got back into collecting. It didn't make sense to me then, and it still doesn't today.

Originally Posted by Neal

Exactly
I collect both
Just recently jumped into the modern market - which is bigger than most realize

I have to buy into this. While there are not a lot of card shows around here, whenever I go to one I am always amazed at how much “shiny stuff” there is, and how little vintage there is. And it’s not just kids buying the shiny stuff. I really don’t even look at those tables, but those guys must be moving product because they are always back.
As my wife says to me when we disagree on something we might discuss, “It’s not right or wrong, it’s just different.”

Originally Posted by aconte

did someone say Acuna!

Here’s another reason I’m not much into modern stuff. You cannot read their signatures. I’ve posted about this pet peeve many of mine times in the Autograph section of this forum.
Again, it’s not right or wrong, it’s just different.

Originally Posted by ullmandds

I find it humorous how bunches of modern collectors are coming here on a strictly vintage site trying to tell us what we should think. Kind of like how people go on missionary trip to the Middle East trying to sell Christianity it usually does not end well For them!

I had to add this. It just made me laugh!!! Well done Pete.

[Snapolit1]

Enough whining from modern collectors. Put the hanky down and stop crying. I'll put the violin away.

Collect what you like. And don't give a sh*t what others think. Collect humels with little girls twirling umbrellas if that's your thing.

Problem with modern cards is old farts like me can name 250 players since 1970 that "smart guys" were hoarding and eventually their wives had to beg someone to come to the house to throw them away. You know which players I'm talking about. Yeah, virtually every can't miss guy in the modern era. Can you catch lightning in a bottle? Sure, there are a few Trout cards worth big bucks. Usually because they are some color variation or something else. But many many many people have spent big bucks hoarding modern cards that proved worthless. Hell, some of them have even written books about them.

Saying modern cards are a sound investment is like saying penny stocks are a good investment. Sure 1 our of every 10,000 turn into a great investment. And the guy who cleans up will make a big stink about it forever. I'll stick with Babe Ruth. You can have Acuna.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Enough whining from modern collectors. Put the hanky down and stop crying. I'll put the violin away.

Collect what you like. And don't give a sh*t what others think. Collect humels with little girls twirling umbrellas if that's your thing.

Problem with modern cards is old farts like me can name 250 players since 1970 that "smart guys" were hoarding and eventually their wives had to beg someone to come to the house to throw them away. You know which players I'm talking about. Yeah, virtually every can't miss guy in the modern era. Can you catch lightning in a bottle? Sure, there are a few Trout cards worth big bucks. Usually because they are some color variation or something else. But many many many people have spent big bucks hoarding modern cards that proved worthless. Hell, some of them have even written books about them.

If your point is that utility / enjoyment from sports cards comes only from them eventually panning out as investments, then it would seem valid. Certainly for someone spending well into the six-figure range for a card produced in the 1990's, that would seem to be a concern. But I would argue (not that I do much of this myself..) that some collectors can get the same enjoyement out of their worthless junk-era cards as I do my vintage material - if they have a connection to the player or some type of nostalgia related to the cards comes into play. If it's something besides the cold hard cash aspect of cards as a potential - indeed as evidenced by the types of discussion that goes on in these forums - it's that the cards themselves are intrensically enjoyable and worth collecting. I mean besides that what is the value of a cool card that you want to show off besides the fact that it provides a dopamine hit?

We all have different or at least varied if similar reasons for why we collect. I think things can be discussed and perceived as outlandish without getting down to a fight about respect between types of collectors and who collects what. Personally I could care less about 99% of cards that are made today, but I don't disparage those who do.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Problem with modern cards is old farts like me can name 250 players since 1970 that "smart guys" were hoarding and eventually their wives had to beg someone to come to the house to throw them away. You know which players I'm talking about. Yeah, virtually every can't miss guy in the modern era. Can you catch lightning in a bottle? Sure, there are a few Trout cards worth big bucks. Usually because they are some color variation or something else. But many many many people have spent big bucks hoarding modern cards that proved worthless. Hell, some of them have even written books about them.

Saying modern cards are a sound investment is like saying penny stocks are a good investment. Sure 1 our of every 10,000 turn into a great investment. And the guy who cleans up will make a big stink about it forever. I'll stick with Babe Ruth. You can have Acuna.

While I agree with your assessment of throwing a dart and trying to hit a bullseye with some rookie phenom, that's not at all the case with the card referenced throughout most of this thread. Jordan's legacy is right there with Ruth and Cobb.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Enough whining from modern collectors. Put the hanky down and stop crying. I'll put the violin away.

Collect what you like. And don't give a sh*t what others think. Collect humels with little girls twirling umbrellas if that's your thing.

Problem with modern cards is old farts like me can name 250 players since 1970 that "smart guys" were hoarding and eventually their wives had to beg someone to come to the house to throw them away. You know which players I'm talking about. Yeah, virtually every can't miss guy in the modern era. Can you catch lightning in a bottle? Sure, there are a few Trout cards worth big bucks. Usually because they are some color variation or something else. But many many many people have spent big bucks hoarding modern cards that proved worthless. Hell, some of them have even written books about them.

Saying modern cards are a sound investment is like saying penny stocks are a good investment. Sure 1 our of every 10,000 turn into a great investment. And the guy who cleans up will make a big stink about it forever. I'll stick with Babe Ruth. You can have Acuna.

This sums it up in a nutshell. While everyone was busy buying Billy Ripken FF cards and then all the 80's 90's complete garbage, I was busy buying vintage. How did I do compared to the minions? You can not give that stuff away. You have to pay to landfill it all. Acuna may be good, but odds are he flames out. Babe ruth we know about. He WAS good!

[aconte]

Bob,

I agree on the signatures being ineligible today. I bought this card more
for the image but I guess that could be considered dumb when I could have
just found one of a thousand others at a fraction of the price.

Most of my vintage autos are from players of the 1950s that I got at shows
or through the mail. Their sigs are so much better!

[Hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by aconte

+1 I laughed when I read that comment. I also collect both modern

and vintage. Got Ruth, Cochrane, Simmons, etc. Modern have Griffey, Trout, Acuna etc......



I always wonder if the reason some vintage collectors say modern is a bubble or

junk is because they worry as years go by less and less collectors want some

of the stuff in their arsenal. It happened with stamps.



did someone say Acuna!







Edited: Not to upset too many on a pre-war board but here is a Cobb I picked up recently. Was broken up from an REA lot.

Omg Ty Cob!!!! Never knew of that card. Amazing.

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[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by MichelaiTorres83

Modern only collectors have not had their bubble pop yet to realize that they are in a super bubble of cosmic porpotions.

It is an insanely rare Jordan card. Those aren't bubble material, IMO.

[glynparson]

Originally Posted by MichelaiTorres83

Modern only collectors have not had their bubble pop yet to realize that they are in a super bubble of cosmic porpotions.

Umm the modern bubble has popped more times than one can count. Honestly what the heck are you talking about?
On a side note, Let people collect or invest or whatever they want to call it, in what they want to buy. Worry about your collection and how you spend your money. For the record this price seems crazy to me but Jordan is popular world wide and there is a lot of foreign money (japan & China primarily)coming into the basketball card market. We can think it’s nits all we want but t looks to be a developing market wether we think it should be vintage only that goes for those types of prices or not.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Neal

Vintage only collectors wear blinders

Acuna!!!!

[Neal]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Acuna!!!!

You know it baby!!

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[Neal]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Acuna!!!!

Yessir!

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[ullmandds]

I can’t speak for everyone only myself I mainly collect vintage...some cards from the 50s 60s 70s but not much modern stuff...That is my preference and that is why I frequent this vintage board. If I wanted to have modern shiny stuff presented to me I would frequent such a board

[vintagewhitesox]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Acuna!!!!

Moncada

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Neal

Vintage only collectors wear blinders

No need, That card gave me enough retinal damage that blinders won't help



I collect some modern, opening some packs now and then is fun.
I bought some Fleer metal when they came out, but only a few packs, as I thought the cards were just hideously ugly. And I really like a lot of hideously ugly cards....Metal just seemed too ugly to bother with.

[pokerplyr80]

The Brady I mentioned is at 190k with 7 days left. Am I the only one who had no idea this was such a valuable card?

[Hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

The Brady I mentioned is at 190k with 7 days left. Am I the only one who had no idea this was such a valuable card?

I'm not sure the Brady you're referring to but yeah anything Brady from the year 2000, that's shiny is worth an a$$load of money.


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