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This hobby is shot. Collectors need to understand that if they continue to collect baseball cards their collections will contain altered cards, and that they will not be getting what they paid for. You either have to accept that fact, or find a new hobby. What a shame.
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The constant questioning and denial of some leave me to wonder how many PWCC cards they are sitting on.
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Ah, the dam will break; they just don't believe it yet. They're at some earlier stage of the grieving process.
And some will have already gotten their refunds, and the ones that hold out the longest risk losing it. This is why PSA and SGC and BGS need to decertify all of those altered cards in holders. Collectors will clutch them to their bosom and never let them go without it.
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That’s probably the root of anyone denying this right now. They either have a large legal or financial liability (or both).
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It's interesting that of all the cards outed on Blowout so far, I don't think there's been a single instance when someone came forward and said he still owned the "pre" card.
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I have mentioned before I use PWCC for all of my consignments. There's always an auction running, they get the highest prices, and have the lowest fees. I am still not convinced yet at their level of involvement in this scandal, and think it's very possible card doctors use their service for the same reasons I do.
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I know that there are a lot of guys who have some amazing ungraded cards. But isn’t it fair to say that if you are a TPG receiving a really nice 1914 Joe Jackson at this stage in the game, there is a 90% chance that the card has already been graded before, and the owner wasn’t happy with the grade and/or altered it? Wouldn’t they look at a card like that a bit more skeptically, and assume that at best, the owner wasn’t happy with the previous grade and broke open for a regrade? If I see a raw 1914 CJ JJ at a show, I can tell you that my first thought would be “no thanks. You either got an ‘A’ or the card presents much better than the grade you got and didn’t like.”
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SGC, you messed up REAL bad here, and proves all this is less likely TPG fraud than just utter and total incompetence |
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My guess, assuming it is the same card, is that whatever is being done to these cards isn't leaving much behind to detect.
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"Hey, look at us, we're not complicit, just completely incompetent." |
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Most of Corey's cards aren't even graded.
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But most scarce ungraded cards are valued based on the estimated grade they would receive. If the graded card market collapses so will these. I’m here for him, Barry. Consider me a beacon in the fog.
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I am sure Corey is there for you too, Jay.
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