PWCC Huigens Now Has a Criminal Defense Attorney

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I have spoken with Jeff, and I personally believe his heart and motives are in the right place here - he does feel he can do best for the hobby as an active participant, rather than as a spectator on the sidelines. And I respect that. He does have an ethical and professional duty to his client (PWCC), which may mean his client experiences (or does not experience) some "result" he/it otherwise would not have experienced without the Jeff's representation - on that matter, I have been honest with Jeff that I am rooting against him and would like to see serious repercussions as well as restitution.

All that said, please stop bashing him and/or bring up matters that are unrelated to the PWCC matter. Not because I like Jeff or care about his feelings, but because he is has been gracious enough to provide some info on the PWCC matter, which he does not have to do, and his posts are leading to articles. I think the more info the better it is best for us and the hobby at large, and emails bashing Jeff are likely to make him stop posting, which again is not good.

again, I feel the same way....just everyone stop attacking the guy. He did what he did. It's Fu**ed up, and just move on..... Like the hobby wants. To badger the guy is just stupid. It's his job. Save the vitriol for the scumbag he's representing. Brent Mastso, the King of Shill and cheater effer.

[MULLINS5]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

again, I feel the same way....just everyone stop attacking the guy. He did what he did. It's Fu**ed up, and just move on..... Like the hobby wants. To badger the guy is just stupid. It's his job. Save the vitriol for the scumbag he's representing. Brent Mastso, the King of Shill and cheater effer.

I don't care who represents any of these guys/companies. There's no need to badger the lawyers.

[Jeffrompa]

Originally Posted by MULLINS5

I don't care who represents any of these guys/companies. There's no need to badger the lawyers.

Maybe the lawyer is being paid in PSA graded cards .

[celoknob]

Without getting into the muck, I find it very strange some of the naive accolades being spread here.

[japhi]

Jeff representing Brent is good for Brent, Jeff, The Hobby. Pick two.

It basically guarantees we will never get anything close to a full accounting, and I would bet a lot of money PWCC keep their business and no one at that company pays anymore then a financial price.

You have to be pretty naive to think that a small amount of buyers getting restitution outweighs a full accounting of what has happened here.

Hope I’m wrong but I’m betting that this is the beginning of the end, buyers getting restitution will be signing NDA’s and our knowledge of the scope of this thing will be limited to the tiny percentage of cards the BO guys found.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I don't think there are NDAs but as I posted there is IMO no chance that whatever amount Brent and a few other card doctors pay back will even scratch the surface of the amount of their ill gotten gains, or the harm inflicted on the hobby.

Is it better than no restitution? Yes, of course. Is it an adequate punishment for the crime? That to me is the real question. We'll see what happens.

[japhi]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't think there are NDAs but as I posted there is IMO no chance that whatever amount Brent and a few other card doctors pay back will even scratch the surface of the amount of their ill gotten gains, or the harm inflicted on the hobby.

Is it better than no restitution? Yes, of course. Is it an adequate punishment for the crime? That to me is the real question. We'll see what happens.

No restitution IMO was never a realistic scenario. One of PSA, PWCC, Ebay or the buyers credit card companies would have paid up. UFFDAH recieved restitution on the Maris very early on.

So I don’t consider buyers getting resitution for cards identified to be a win, thats the baseline.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't think there are NDAs but as I posted there is IMO no chance that whatever amount Brent and a few other card doctors pay back will even scratch the surface of the amount of their ill gotten gains, or the harm inflicted on the hobby.

Is it better than no restitution? Yes, of course. Is it an adequate punishment for the crime? That to me is the real question. We'll see what happens.

I just want the cheater effer to come out and say HE targeted the cards that were to be trimmed and altered, HE ran a shill bidding operation, he cheated e-bay, HE didn't pay his taxes on ill gotten gains. HE put stupid stickers on cards he knew were his and trimmed. HE was Eddie Embelisher in his descriptions. HE was the Maestro. How fitting his name is Brent Mastro, pun intended.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

I just want the cheater effer to come out and say HE targeted the cards that were to be trimmed and altered, HE ran a shill bidding operation, he cheated e-bay, HE didn't pay his taxes on ill gotten gains. HE put stupid stickers on cards he knew were his and trimmed. HE was Eddie Embelisher in his descriptions. HE was the Maestro. How fitting his name is Brent Mastro, pun intended.

Knowing Brent and Betsy Huigens, sincere good luck with that....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

I just want the cheater effer to come out and say HE targeted the cards that were to be trimmed and altered, HE ran a shill bidding operation, he cheated e-bay, HE didn't pay his taxes on ill gotten gains. HE put stupid stickers on cards he knew were his and trimmed. HE was Eddie Embelisher in his descriptions. HE was the Maestro. How fitting his name is Brent Mastro, pun intended.

Don't leave out chemical cleaning as long as you're making a list.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Don't leave out chemical cleaning as long as you're making a list.

How could I forget, the chemicals.

Especially as a hazardous waste specialist. I hope they are getting rid of their flammable liquids on a hazardous waste manifest. Those illegal dumping charges are tough to beat.