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1991 Topps
I've got about 300 '91 Topps cello packs to rip. The list of E&V is so large I'm going to have to do it in shifts but I was wondering if someone wouldn't mind giving me a top-5 or top-10 list, if such a thing exists.
I'm assuming there is a hierarchy among them. For context, I know zero about '91 Topps E&V. Thanks in advance, Arthur
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Arthur - Good luck. If it helps, I'm looking for 1991 Topps All Star Rookie Trophy cards MINT pack fresh and centered.
I'd pay for PSA 9/10 candidates. RayB PM me if you are interested in selling.
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Edited to add (GOT IT!!--Errors and variations) 1991 Topps Errors / Variations 82 record(s) List | Gallery 9b Darrin Fletcher VAR: F* print code before copyright on back 26 Luis Sojo UER: Born in Barquisimento, not Caracas 42a Chris Hoiles VAR: White inset border on front 42b Chris Hoiles VAR: Dark inset border 49a Pat Borders ERR: 40 stolen bases at Kinston in 1986 49b Pat Borders COR: 0 stolen bases at Kinston in 1986 53 Mike Sharperson UER: Born in 1961, not 1960 80a Fernando Valenzuela ERR: 20 complete games in 1986 not italicized, tied for earned runs in 1990 80b Fernando Valenzuela COR: 20 complete games in 1986 italicized, led league in earned runs in 1990 87a Tracy Jones VAR: E* F* print code before copyright on back 87b Tracy Jones VAR: F* print code before copyright on back 97a Brady Anderson ERR: Monthly scoreboard for September 2 RBI, 3 hits 97b Brady Anderson COR: Monthly scoreboard for September 3 RBI, 14 hits 100a Don Mattingly ERR: 10 H in '90, 1310 career H, .483 career SLG, .297 career BA 100b Don Mattingly COR: 101 H in '90, 1401 career H, .504 career SLG, .317 career BA 131a Checklist #1 ERR: #727 Phil Bradley Chicago White Sox 131b Checklist #1 COR: #717 Phil Bradley Chicago White Sox 149 Al Osuna UER: Shown throwing right but bio says left 155a Dwight Evans ERR: 162 games in 1982 led league 155b Dwight Evans COR: 162 games in 1982 tied for lead 160 Vince Coleman UER: Wrong birth year 167a Randy Tomlin ERR: "Harriburg" 167b Randy Tomlin COR: "Harrisburg" 236a Frank Tanana ERR: 269 strikeouts in 1975 tied 236b Frank Tanana COR: 269 strikeouts in 1975 led league 238 Mike Dunne UER: Birthplace South Bend IN, should be Peoria IL 241 Dave Clark UER: Career totals 270a Mark McGwire ERR: 1987 Slugging percentage is 618, should be .618 270b Mark McGwire COR: Slugging percentage .618 in 1987 278 Alex Fernandez UER: No '90 White Sox stats 279a Jose Gonzalez ERR: Photo actually Billy Bean; batting left-handed 279b Jose Gonzalez COR: Batting right-handed 306a Lonnie Smith ERR: 136 games in 1990, 1,270 games in career 306b Lonnie Smith COR: 135 games in 1990, 1,269 games in career 324a Ron Kittle ERR: "Ron set Comiskey Park record with 6 home runs…", "Set another standard…" 324b Ron Kittle COR: "Ron set Comiskey Park record with 7 home runs…", "Tied another standard…" 326a Ken Patterson ERR: TM on front printed at top of banner 326b Ken Patterson COR: TM on front printed in middle of banner 337a Keith Comstock ERR: Cubs logo 337b Keith Comstock COR: Mariners logo 366a Checklist #3 ERR: #19 Carl Nichols (Houston) 366b Checklist #3 COR: #119 Carl Nichols (Houston) 378a Wilson Alvarez ERR: Missing stats 89 Port Charlotte and 90 Birmingham 378b Wilson Alvarez COR: Added 89 Port Charlotte and 90 Birmingham 423 Rafael Ramirez UER: Born in 1959, not 1958 454a Kevin Appier ERR: '90 Omaha line omitted 454b Kevin Appier COR: '90 Omaha line included 461a Robin Ventura VAR: Inner left line gray 461b Robin Ventura VAR: Inner left line red 526a Moises Alou ERR: 37 runs in 1990 for Pirates, 41 runs in career 526b Moises Alou COR: 0 runs in 1990 for Pirates, 4 runs in career 527a Checklist #4 ERR: #719 Kevin McReynolds, #105 Keith Miller (New York NL) 527b Checklist #4 COR: #105 Kevin McReynolds, #719 Keith Miller (New York NL) 587 Jose Offerman UER: States he was signed 7-24-86, but text states 1988 588a Mark Whiten VAR: Hand stops at card border 588b Mark Whiten VAR: Hand extends outside of left border 593a Mike C. Walker ERR: Missing '90 Canton-Akron stat line 593b Mike C. Walker COR: Added '90 Canton-Akron 599a Greg Myers ERR: Missing 90 Syracuse stat line 599b Greg Myers COR: Added 90 Syracuse 603a Wes Chamberlain ERR: Photo actually Louie Meadows; bat on shoulder 603b Wes Chamberlain COR: Arms crossed on knees 615a Bert Blyleven VAR: MAJ. LEA in smaller print under stats on back 615b Bert Blyleven VAR: MAJ. LEA in larger print under stats on back 656a Checklist #5 ERR: #348 V.Palacios; #381 J.Lind; #665 J.Leyland; #537 M.LaValliere 656b Checklist #5 ERR: #433 V.Palacios, should be #438; #537 J.Lind; #381 J.Leyland; #665 M.LaValliere 656c Checklist #5 COR: #438 V.Palacios; #537 J.Lind; #381 J.Leyland; #665 M.LaValliere 674a Kevin Gross ERR: 89 bases on balls in 1988 tied 674b Kevin Gross COR: 89 bases on balls in 1988 led league 685a Doug Drabek VAR: White inset border on front 685b Doug Drabek VAR: Black inset border on front 687a John Cerutti ERR: 4.46 ERA in 1990 687b John Cerutti COR: 4.76 ERA in 1990 692a Efrain Valdez ERR: Birthdate 6-11-66, two lines of text 692b Efrain Valdez COR: Birthdate 7-11-66, no lines of text 692c Efrain Valdez COR: Birthdate 7-11-66, two lines of text 706a Brad Arnsberg ERR: 68.2 innings pitched in 1990, 144 innings pitched career, 3.25 ERA career 706b Brad Arnsberg COR: 62.2 innings pitched in 1990, 138 innings pitched career, 3.39 ERA career 771 Gary Redus UER: Birthplace listed as Tanner, should be Athens 772 Kent Mercker UER: Birthplace listed as Indianapolis, should be Dublin, Ohio 780a Randy Myers ERR: 15 losses in career 780b Randy Myers COR: 19 losses in career Last edited by bobsbbcards; 04-12-2018 at 07:24 AM. |
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Topps 1991
Arthur--The 1991 Topps sets has by far the most variant cards of any Topps sets, front and back. I am positive no complete list exists. There are some threads in here on the task facing anyone who wants to put together a "master" set. While many of the variants might be viewed as only recuring print defects, the sheer number of front and back differences is daunting.
I will try to run down and post links to prior threads. There are some 1991 variations that have greater hobby recognition, like the Boyd differences, that are discussed in such threads. Also Dylan has a list of some notable variants on his Junk Wax Gems web site Bob-- your favorite topics, errors and variations Last edited by ALR-bishop; 04-12-2018 at 07:17 AM. |
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Thanks, Al. I went back and reread the previous threads. I remembered about the Oil Can but that was about it. I was just hoping to chop the list down to, say, the rarest of the rare and look for those first. Then go back over time and look for all of the others as I sort through them.
I'm really starting to wonder why I bought 300 cello packs. Ray, I'll put aside any that look like they've got a shot and PM you back at the ranch. Arthur
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Bob's list is the tip of an iceberg. The different backs and front combos complicate it to no end. And don't forget the Desert Shield cards
http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A2KIb...XlFK6m.FshwKg- http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geK...Apqdh._O0E34o- http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geK...BYArY67M.woLI-http://net54baseball.com/showthread....ght=topps+1991 [http://net54baseball.com/showthread....ght=topps+1991 http://net54baseball.com/showthread....ght=topps+1991 http://net54baseball.com/showthread....ght=topps+1991 http://net54baseball.com/showthread....opps+1991+glow http://net54baseball.com/showthread....opps+1991+glow Last edited by ALR-bishop; 04-12-2018 at 08:51 AM. |
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Are all A*B* cards rare or are there legitimate A*B* cards and it's just the A* sheet cards that have been seen with A*B* that are rare?
Arthur
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I have not followed values recently on hobby recognized 1991 Topps variations. I have seen the scarcest Boyd card go for a fairly high premium. You might do and ebay search for current and completed Topps 1991 errors and variations, with a highest price first filter. Or send Dylan, Jacksoncoupage a pm for his input, especially on the sheet designation question
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Thanks again, Al. In one of the threads someone made reference to the Hoiles and Whiten as being tough so I'll add those on top of the Oil Can. I think part of this may be me stalling getting started on it. I've got a small air conditioner box filled top to bottom, side to side with cellos. I think I'll go see if my dentist can squeeze me in.
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Drabek and Ventura as well
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Thank you, sir.
Arthur
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If I read the A*B* article correctly, so far they've all had bold "40th Anniversary" backs.
I just pulled a faded A*B*. Arthur
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I'm 44 cellos in. I've pulled two different Oil Can Boyds, both versions of the Ryan RB, one pack of bold "40th Anniversary," and some other stuff. My question is, in that list is the suffix-a card always the correct and most common version?
I've also got a cello with bolds viewable through the back that I'm keeping sealed. Arthur
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Pulled a Comstock Cubs.
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Now Arthur if you can pull an 88 Comstock Yellow Name from these 91 packs you will have a $ card
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I think you might have a Tiffany card, which does have a faded A*B* back. It was probably inserted into a pack by mistake. See link: https://www.comc.com/Cards/Baseball/...Boston/1984187 |
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No, I'm quite familiar with Tiffany cards. I've been ripping those sets for a while now. This is a regular Topps card with the faded back and A*B*.
ETA: I just noticed my scanner blew it out for some reason and made it appear white. It's not. I'll try and get a better back scan. ETA2: This should be better. Arthur
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I'm 96 cellos in. Finally pulled a Mattingly 10 hits. Still nothing on the Whiten/Hoiles front but I think I've pulled many of the other variations. I'm surprised Topps went crazy over fixing the Whiten and Boyd cards and yet let these go.
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It's a little tougher to see in the scan than in person but the mark and glove laces are definitely green. Is this a new variation or a misunderstanding of the existing?
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I think the green is caused by a color shift of a plate, most evident by the yellow shown at the top of the card.
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The #83 Daryl Boston A*B*/faded logo isn't rare. You can find it in the mass-produced 1991 Topps Factory Set. |
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Oh that makes sense. You should probably notate that somewhere so someone doesn't get taken for a ride thinking that it's rare. Also, the Tracy Jones E*F* isn't on your list either. Again, that may not be rare but it should be notated.
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When they make corrections to the "A" sheet, they put an "*" at the bottom of the card on the reverse by the copyright logo. I am not sure how the A*B* comes about but I suspect the card was originally on the "A" sheet and then moved to the "B" sheet along with other changes.....just guessing on that though. So the latest corrections should all be on a sheet with a "*" on it. |
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Thanks for responding. I should have been more articulate. I was referring to the junkwaxgems list. It's broken down by versions, like:
#146a 70 runs in 1982 #146b 20 runs in 1982 I'm assuming that in all of these instances the "a" card is the correct version and the most common? Arthur
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The cards are printed on a double size sheet, 264 cards. A and B, C and D, E and F. Usually there's only one sheet indicator, and it very nearly always has the asterix. I can't recall seeing one without it in decades. If you notice, the A is always spaced out from the copyright when it's by itself. That's most likely from them using a pasteup that included both sheet letters, either on the original art, or on the mask. Then the one that wasn't needed was blocked out. Except for some reason in 1991 they missed it on a lot of cards. (There are exceptions, like the year they offered a few cards for a small payment and some wrappers to help people finish sets. There was enough demand for stars that they made a special sheet) |
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Can someone back me up on #477 Mike Fetters?
Seems like there are versions where the banner finished in white and where his arm covers it. Also versions where the bottom of the last 'L' in Baseball is visible and versions where it's not. Arthur
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This thread peeked my interest so I looked through a box to
see how many of the variations I have. I have quite a few of them so I imagine most of them are relatively common. Most of them are in good condition but they are curved from being in a 5k storage box for over 25 years. 1991 Topps Chamberlain Group.jpg 91 Topps McGwire.jpg Last edited by Pat R; 04-18-2018 at 08:34 AM. |
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A few people did order what was needed but most ordered the stars noted Rich
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I couldn't buy the whole thing, too much for me and it was cut up for the oddball strips. I'm pretty sure I have one somewhere. Other than the obvious needle in a haystack odds, it would be interesting to see if I can spot a difference between these specials and the regular cards. I know a lot more now, so maybe. |
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I am selling one of the Boyd cards within a box of 1991 Topps errors that I managed to snag from a goodwill. The Boyd I have is the one with the black banner tip and no squiggly marks on the hat.
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you still chasing these rookie trophy pack fresh cards? |
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Counting all the stuff I count, none of which are transient stuff, the list is at least double... |
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I will need to tell Bob he was bumped as an awesome hobby resource for Topps 1991 variations. He will be really excited
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There's also a Randy Bush error, with and without the sheet code. Tougher card.
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i gotta say, i've busted open a ton of these packs in the past few months, and still have yet to find a dennis oil can boyd card. variation or no variation. so many cards in this set.
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boom. indeed it is! i'll keep opening more
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I found three Boyd cards in my small stash of 91s. Two are different. I did not find the variant with the black border on the flag. I'm assuming both of these are easy to find?
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And what's the deal with the bold 40th backs compared to the faint versions? Both of these Mattingly cards are the error 10 hit versions. Can all of the cards in this set be found with a bold back?
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Only cards with an A* or B* sheet code have this variation so no, it does not affect the entire set. These partial parallel cards are were also used for all A* and B* cards in the desert shield printing, so if you have a DS card without the bold 40th logo and it is from an A* or B* sheet, it is a counterfeit.
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Well, since I found these errors, I assume they are common.
Mattingly Dwight Evans Lonnie Smith Ron Kittle Keith Comstock Robin Ventura - Left inner line red - top and right side black Moises Alou Bert Blyleven - larger print Checklist - with # 348 as Palacios Kevin Gross John Cerutti |
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Found a box of about 500 1991 cards this morning in stuff I've had for years and found the Hoiles. This is fun.
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Here's a question about '91s that I can't seem to find the answer to - wax boxes were made with both the old school waxed paper packs and cello style packs. Was that packaging parallel or sequential?
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Having just pulled a Boyd black tip variation, I will be working on yet another one of these sets and will make an updated list of variations for it once I get everything together.
The list circulating in this thread is very out of date and missing some key cards. It also includes UERs for some strange reason. Also! Efrain Valdez with 6-11 birthdate likely doesnt exist. The only image of it came from a site with known photoshopped variations. This is a long-listed in Beckett variation that has never been substantiated by any master collectors, SCD or others like Gilkeson, etc, as far as I know.
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