Local John Stockton Mask Controversy

[Peter_Spaeth]

Another thing I just don’t get is that it seems a lot of people who think the shots are too risky smoke, drink excessively, are obese, eat an unhealthy diet, and don’t exercise. All things that are far far far riskier. Don’t get it.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Another thing I just don’t get is that it seems a lot of people who think the shots are too risky smoke, drink excessively, are obese, eat an unhealthy diet, and don’t exercise. All things that are far far far riskier. Don’t get it.

I have many of those type of friends. I lost a life long friend like that a couple weeks ago. In real life I avoid this subject like the plague. Everyone is just too crazy no matter what side they are on. Plus I live in a small rural town that has been hit extremely hard since the beginning. I personally know easily 30 who have died and way more that now have permanent health problems including my brother.

The biggest change I have noticed is the people that have avoided the vaccine change their minds and get it after a loved one dies from Covid.

No matter your choice I sincerely wish you all good health.

[tschock]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Another thing I just don’t get is that it seems a lot of people who think the shots are too risky smoke, drink excessively, are obese, eat an unhealthy diet, and don’t exercise. All things that are far far far riskier. Don’t get it.

Probably to the same ironic extent that a similar set of people now demand that others protect them from their lifelong unhealthy habits by demanding that everyone else wear a mask.

Not a conspiracy subscriber by any means, but sick of all the half-truths and unanswered questions/concerns from all sides. Too much agenda and emotion, not enough objectivity and logic. No wonder people can't make informed choices.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by tschock

Probably to the same ironic extent that a similar set of people now demand that others protect them from their lifelong unhealthy habits by demanding that everyone else wear a mask.

Not a conspiracy subscriber by any means, but sick of all the half-truths and unanswered questions/concerns from all sides. Too much agenda and emotion, not enough objectivity and logic. No wonder people can't make informed choices.

Here's some objectivity and logic for you: COVID-19 has led to the death of nearly a million people in the US alone. Masks help to stop the spread of COVID-19. If you're asked to wear one, wear one.

[irv]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Here's some objectivity and logic for you: COVID-19 has led to the death of nearly a million people in the US alone. Masks help to stop the spread of COVID-19. If you're asked to wear one, wear one.

Oh, really.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipUn5goyM2I

And do you honestly think almost a million people died "OF" covid in the U.S.?

If you have the flu and fall down the stairs and break your neck, is that a flu death? No, so why is it if you do the same thing but test positive for covid, it is a covid death???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw9Ci2PZKZg

Belong to facebook? If so, watch this. Like I said earlier, the truth is coming out.
https://www.facebook.com/727876236/p...789866237/?d=n

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by irv

Oh, really.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipUn5goyM2I

And do you honestly think almost a million people died "OF" covid in the U.S.?

If you have the flu and fall down the stairs and break your neck, is that a flu death? No, so why is it if you do the same thing but test positive for covid, it is a covid death???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw9Ci2PZKZg

Belong to facebook? If so, watch this. Like I said earlier, the truth is coming out.
https://www.facebook.com/727876236/p...789866237/?d=n

It seems like you are almost pro-covid. Kind of like get it and it’ll be fun. Or do you just think the government is going too far? Seems like many people could draw at least a middle ground of recognizing it has killed a lot of loved ones but you think forced vaccinations go too far and you’re willing to wear a mask sort of position. Where do you come out?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Carter08

It seems like you are almost pro-covid. Kind of like get it and it’ll be fun. Or do you just think the government is going too far? Seems like many people could draw at least a middle ground of recognizing it has killed a lot of loved ones but you think forced vaccinations go too far and you’re willing to wear a mask sort of position. Where do you come out?

It's just a flu that's being used by world governments to paralyze people with fear, control them, brainwash them, and move the world towards the great Reset. And if you don't believe that, you're suffering from mass psychosis. End of story.

[Peter_Spaeth]

By the way the Moderna vax got final FDA approval two days ago. So what's the conspiracy theory take on that? Or can we finally stop hearing about the "experimental" vaccines?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

By the way the Moderna vax got final FDA approval two days ago. So what's the conspiracy theory take on that? Or can we finally stop hearing about the "experimental" vaccines?

No, unfortunately the bat shit crazy wackos will say that is a conspiracy also.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bnorth

No, unfortunately the bat shit crazy wackos will say that is a conspiracy also.

Oh, I am sure the anti crowd has already pivoted to some new BS party line.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by irv

Belong to facebook? If so, watch this. Like I said earlier, the truth is coming out.
https://www.facebook.com/727876236/p...789866237/?d=n

Is this the same Fox News you are getting information on how vaccines are bad and masks aren't important?

https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-...on-2021-7?op=1

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fo...ies/ar-AAQw0Jk

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/20/b...e-mandate.html

[Peter_Spaeth]

Dale that's one hell of a conspiracy you are imagining there, and I assume it's global not just the U.S./Canada. I wonder how "they" all manage to stay on the same page every day. Conference call/zoom call with 1000s of participants, maybe? Massive listserv emails? How did it start by the way? Who's in charge?

But let's talk about a specific issue. Since you made such a big deal pushing the idea that the Pfizer vax wasn't really approved, that some phantom product was, and that the vaccines were still "experimental," talk to me about Moderna and its approval now, I need to keep up. One of your Twitter feeds must have the party line, no?

Let me guess. The party line has now shifted from "experimental vaccines" to the FDA is just part of the conspiracy and Big Pharma paid for the approval. Let me know. Also let me know if you have an explanation other than changing the subject for all the data showing vaccines and boosters do help a great deal, if not perfectly, keeping people out of the hospital and from dying. Or is all that data a lie, and everyone involved in its collection and analysis a liar?

[irv]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Dale that's one hell of a conspiracy you are imagining there, and I assume it's global not just the U.S./Canada. I wonder how "they" all manage to stay on the same page every day. Conference call/zoom call with 1000s of participants, maybe? Massive listserv emails? How did it start by the way? Who's in charge?

But let's talk about a specific issue. Since you made such a big deal pushing the idea that the Pfizer vax wasn't really approved, that some phantom product was, and that the vaccines were still "experimental," talk to me about Moderna and its approval now, I need to keep up. One of your Twitter feeds must have the party line, no?

Let me guess. The party line has now shifted from "experimental vaccines" to the FDA is just part of the conspiracy and Big Pharma paid for the approval. Let me know. Also let me know if you have an explanation other than changing the subject for all the data showing vaccines and boosters do help a great deal, if not perfectly, keeping people out of the hospital and from dying. Or is all that data a lie, and everyone involved in its collection and analysis a liar?

What I find funny and what happens quite often with you, Peter, is you never acknowledge anything I post. Just straight to the insults like I dreamt them up and wrote them down myself.
I try hard, or at least I think I do, to factcheck/verify everything I post but I guess actual news stories from reliable sources and videos from other people in the know are not good enough for you?

Vids of Fauci, the CDC, the inventors of the PCR and the vaccines themselves is all fake news, conspiracy theories to you.

Regardless, you obviously think everything is above board and nothing has changed as far as the truth being told, so there is no sense carrying on with you. You are either blind or have a ton of money invested in pharmaceuticals, or maybe both, so continue to believe and boost away, Peter. We'll get there some day, herd immunity is just around the corner!

[tschock]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Here's some objectivity and logic for you: COVID-19 has led to the death of nearly a million people in the US alone. Masks help to stop the spread of COVID-19. If you're asked to wear one, wear one.

As well as other factors. Which is why the CDC itself classifies all COVID related deaths as a co-morbidity factor. I'm vaccinated, and I mask under most circumstances (indoors in public). But that doesn't avoid some of the idiotic and inconsistent policies being promoted (such as requiring proof of vaccination to work in a company where almost everyone is working from home).

[Republicaninmass]

Scott Gottlieb is for dumping the mask mandate. Anyone know who he is? Just one of those "rich Republicans". Former FDA commissioner, now on Board of Directors as Pfizer. Doubtful his prior experience had anything to do with Pfizers vaccine approval. Congress likes the stock.



NIH covid treatment guidelines : exposure can occur within 6 feet of an infectious source. Face coverings may reduce the spread.

This is modeled after Fauci's mask guidelines. Surprisingly his wife, Christine Grady is head of their department. Doubtful pillow talk revolves around covid guidelines.


We are severely limiting the sources, and therefore narratives, to form our own judgments. Can that at least be agreed upon?

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Scott Gottlieb is for dumping the mask mandate. Anyone know who he is? Just one of those "rich Republicans". Former FDA commissioner, now on Board of Directors as Pfizer. Doubtful his prior experience had anything to do with Pfizers vaccine approval. Congress likes the stock.



NIH covid treatment guidelines : exposure can occur within 6 feet of an infectious source. Face coverings may reduce the spread.

This is modeled after Fauci's mask guidelines. Surprisingly his wife, Christine Grady is head of their department. Doubtful pillow talk revolves around covid guidelines.


We are severely limiting the sources, and therefore narratives, to form our own judgments. Can that at least be agreed upon?

My source to form my judgment is not the tv or internet because that seems like a truly bad idea. It’s my doctor I trust.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Carter08

My source to form my judgment is not the tv or internet because that seems like a truly bad idea. It’s my doctor I trust.

I can understand and appreciate that. I just shudder to think that doctors believed, and had/have people convinced, this was some sort of "new disease" and claiming that we didnt know how it spread.

That was the initial narrative. When it fact, it's just like every other coronavirus we have ever encountered, just identified as slightly more virulent. I'm not conspiracist, but when the "nut jobs" even have a shred of truth to their arguements, and anyone is automatically labeled or cancelling with an opposing viewpoint, the mind does wander.

Was anyone called an Anti-vaxxer when they decided not take a flu shot? It's been a few years now I cant remember.

I never wore a mask while hiking or outdoors. I washed my hands every dam time I went out, even when I touched the mail. Luckily, I never had a positive test in just under 100 brain ticklers, or lost my smell/taste.

Nor did I lose anyone to Covid. Well barring my dad in 2014. Doctors specifically asked if he had travled to the middle east as what he had mimicked MERS to a T. Diabetic and overweight with exact covid symptoms, died on a vent, died of sepsis/heart attack. Hmmmmm, i will alway say it was likley covid ...14.

I consider myself fortunate. However, I just dont think big government, or anyone else, has my best interest at heart. I dont even what to think if hemmorgatic fever or a terrible disease how people would react.

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[tschock]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

We are severely limiting the sources, and therefore narratives, to form our own judgments. Can that at least be agreed upon?

One could only hope.

[TUM301]

+1 my man.