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National League average ERA from 1988 to 1992: 3.45 3.49 3.79 3.68 3.50 National League average ERA from 1993 to 1997: 4.04 4.21 4.18 4.21 4.20 Tony Gwynn was not everyone. He was one of the most talented hitters of all time. Pitching did get worse so why wouldn't an already elite hitter not get better? Last edited by packs; 11-20-2022 at 02:46 PM. |
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Are you suggesting there's no link between worse pitching and an elite hitter's rising batting average? Does rising league average ERA not indicate pitching declined as his career went on?
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There is a link but if we are just using things with links why not total bases?
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I feel like you think I'm being arbitrary but there was a statistical decline in pitching because pitching got worse. It makes sense that an elite hitter would get better if the average pitcher is worse. I don't see why that's laughable. That's what I would expect to happen.
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I never collected his cards anyway, but I'm guessing there aren't too many Felipe Vazquez collectors on here. He's one guy I'm not interested in collecting....
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...or John Wetteland
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If the claim is that “pitching got worse”, then using ERA makes sense. It’s the standard criteria of effectiveness for pitchers, and the core claim made was about pitchers.
I don’t think pitching just gets worse one year, I think we’re seeing the growing effect of steroid proliferation and expansion. |
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Did you consider I might have thought of all those things and that's why I said pitching got worse as Gwynn's career went on? From 1992 to 1997 the NL average ERA went from 3.50 to 4.20, that is a significant rise and I'm not sure how you can say it doesn't indicate a decline in pitching. You said pitching was diluted, same thing. If the average pitcher is worse and there are more bad pitchers than good pitchers, why wouldn't it stand to reason that an elite hitter would have a higher batting average against weaker competition? I don't see where the controversy lies with Gwynn. Last edited by packs; 11-21-2022 at 08:22 AM. |
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