Would you sell cards to buy gold or silver coins?

[G1911]

It's not a bad thing to be prepared for misfortune. It's good to be fit, to learn how to make a fire, to have some supplies on hand, to learn to do some things for yourself that people don't really have to do anymore usually. I suppose it doesn't hurt to have a case of water in your trunk, and some MRE's and a few magazines. I suppose it can even be a fun hobby for some to learn these skills and to prepare. It sure doesn't hurt anyone.

I fail to see any real liklihood that things will collapse so bad that order and law disappear and people are really forced to fend entirely for themselves. Having seen most vintage collectors bulk, we should hope not as most of us will be dying very quickly. Most people will not be able to take care of themselves for even a week.

That this apocalyptic scenario will happen and silver will see a price rise because farmers will use it as the currency to traverse their roads (apparently in this end of order scenario, people are polite and respect property and it isn't those who can quickly form well-armed groups that will control things) is ludicrous.

If one truly believes the end of civilization is coming, one should get fit, learn survival skills, hoard food and medicine and water and stockpile ammunition, parts and magazines, learn marksmanship, organize a group. Stacking silver to pay farmers to cross their roads? How far down the rabbit hole of crazy can we go?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Is there a secret network of roads owned by farmers?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Is there a secret network of roads owned by farmers?

I don't know any that do but I know several that act like they do. It is awesome in the spring and fall when they block highways moving equipment from one field to another.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by G1911

It's not a bad thing to be prepared for misfortune. It's good to be fit, to learn how to make a fire, to have some supplies on hand, to learn to do some things for yourself that people don't really have to do anymore usually. I suppose it doesn't hurt to have a case of water in your trunk, and some MRE's and a few magazines. I suppose it can even be a fun hobby for some to learn these skills and to prepare. It sure doesn't hurt anyone.



I fail to see any real liklihood that things will collapse so bad that order and law disappear and people are really forced to fend entirely for themselves. Having seen most vintage collectors bulk, we should hope not as most of us will be dying very quickly. Most people will not be able to take care of themselves for even a week.



That this apocalyptic scenario will happen and silver will see a price rise because farmers will use it as the currency to traverse their roads (apparently in this end of order scenario, people are polite and respect property and it isn't those who can quickly form well-armed groups that will control things) is ludicrous.



If one truly believes the end of civilization is coming, one should get fit, learn survival skills, hoard food and medicine and water and stockpile ammunition, parts and magazines, learn marksmanship, organize a group. Stacking silver to pay farmers to cross their roads? How far down the rabbit hole of crazy can we go?

It's historically accurate, as the breakdown of a collective govt devolves into regions of control. The Middle East's collapse with the Arab Spring brought rise to ISIS who took control of regions poorly managed. Even modern Afghanistan and Pakistan are kept together by a coalition govt willing to concede power to tribal/clan leaders in exchange for tribute. Most modern countries saw a strong leader rise that combined smaller kingdoms into a larger kingdom. Even as near as 1850, modern Germany and Italy did not exist. When kingdoms fall apart, local strongmen arise that can take control. While initial chaos happens, that chaos creates a power vacuum that brings rise to leaders - good or bad.

These new centers of control need currency. Why not silver coins in a region that is still a silver capital?

If a collective of farmers want to fill that power vacuum, so be it. But in Eastern WA, there are enough small highways to get to Canada. We have a single lane highway that runs all the way from Spokane to Nelson, BC. That's the road I would need to take to flee. It would be controlled by someone; possibly even a Native American tribe because it runs through their reservation.

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[G1911]

Originally Posted by todeen

It's historically accurate, as the breakdown of a collective govt devolves into regions of control. The Middle East's collapse with the Arab Spring brought rise to ISIS who took control of regions poorly managed. Even modern Afghanistan and Pakistan are kept together by a coalition govt willing to concede power to tribal/clan leaders in exchange for tribute. Most modern countries saw a strong leader rise that combined smaller kingdoms into a larger kingdom. Even as near as 1850, modern Germany and Italy did not exist. When kingdoms fall apart, local strongmen arise that can take control. While initial chaos happens, that chaos creates a power vacuum that brings rise to leaders - good or bad.

These new centers of control need currency. Why not silver coins in a region that is still a silver capital?

If a collective of farmers want to fill that power vacuum, so be it. But in Eastern WA, there are enough small highways to get to Canada. We have a single lane highway that runs all the way from Spokane to Nelson, BC. That's the road I would need to take to flee. It would be controlled by someone; possibly even a Native American tribe because it runs through their reservation.

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In none of these examples, did you have a real lack of order. Those armed and organized and able to create some stability fill power vacuums. You did not have civilization ceasing; you got different government.

Collectives of farmers and Native-Americans charging toll fees for roads and everyone else peaceably paying it and adopting a silver standard as civilization ceases sounds like some hippie science fiction with no grounding in actual history. Nowhere in the history of the world has civilization collapsed and collectives of farmers and Native-Americans become the power brokers by virtue of placing a fee on a road. The absurdity of this should be immediately obvious. Europe in 1850 was not a fall of civilization and groups of peaceable farmers running an economy emerging from road tolls. The Levant in the 2010's was not a scenario of civilization crumbling and Native-Americans peaceably filling the void because they lived closest to a road.

I have nothing against investing in silver, but this is the most absurd reasoning imaginable for it. This must be a joke. Good luck with your silver road plan.

[Peter_Spaeth]

An AK-47 might serve you better at a roadblock than a handful of silver coins LOL. This is so stupid. And if it all falls apart, guess what, Canada ain't going to be any better off, won't be any reason to go there.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

An AK-47 might serve you better at a roadblock than a handful of silver coins LOL. This is so stupid. And if it all falls apart, guess what, Canada ain't going to be any better off, won't be any reason to go there.

25 silver coins will buy you a serviceable AK today in advance for those who think this science fiction fantasy isn’t a fantasy.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

25 silver coins will buy you a serviceable AK today in advance for those who think this science fiction fantasy isn’t a fantasy.

And to think I buy regularly from a farmers' coop. I may have to reassess that group. I think they may be just waiting to fill a power vacuum.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And to think I buy regularly from a farmers' coop. I may have to reassess that group. I think they may be just waiting to fill a power vacuum.

Any day now. I’ve known for years those friendly guys at the Saturday farmers market that sell me my vegetables are just waiting for their chance to institute big silver and take over the roads. Surely some silver coins will enable me to take this new freedom road to Canada. I better trade my AK’s in for silver right now and prep for this. Silver will serve me much better at Native-American roadblocks.

I think the card pumpers are ridiculous sometimes but damn, silver pumpers are next level. The fantasies people have…