Jacob deGrom most Ks in first 200 games

[D. Bergin]

Article on "The Ringer" about Degrom. Author makes an interesting point about Degrom continuing to push up his velocity numbers, even as his injury history is mounting.

https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2023/6...gers-takeaways

I think that speaks to his mindset (or ego) as a pitcher. Instead of pacing himself and continuing to be available while giving up runs here and there, he treats every batter as if they're the last out in the bottom of the 9th of a 1 run game with the bases loaded.

That might be all hardcore and all, but there's a reason why Mariano Rivera, Aroldis Chapman, Dan Quissenberry and company, aren't starting pitchers. The human body is not made to pitch with that intensity for more then a couple innings at a time.

I say Degrom has no chance of making the HOF........unless.....a BIG unless...unless he comes back as a dominant stopper like an Eckersley, and has a long run in that role, well into his 40's.

[D. Bergin]

BTW, if you put up Mariano Rivera's lifetime stats, next to Jacob DeGrom's lifetime stats up to this point, it's fascinating how similar they are, considering their completely different roles in the game.

[packs]

Why do people continue to make assumptions about closers like Rivera? The reason Rivera became a closer is because he was elite.

You can't just become a closer because you didn't make an impact as a starter. There is a reason why there is only one Mariano Rivera and only two or three truly elite no doubt about it closers in the league at any given time. Even less with longevity.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by packs

Why do people continue to make assumptions about closers like Rivera? The reason Rivera became a closer is because he was elite.

You can't just become a closer because you didn't make an impact as a starter. There is a reason why there is only one Mariano Rivera and only two or three truly elite no doubt about it closers in the league at any given time. Even less with longevity.

What assumptions did I make about Rivera? I'm a Yanks fan and he's one of my all-time favorite players.

I was essentially saying, you can't pitch with the intensity of Degrom and stay healthy, unless you are doing it in the smaller sample sizes of a relief pitcher.

[packs]

This thread features references to Rivera, Smoltz and other closers while discussing de Gromm and his struggles to stay healthy. They're all independent of each other, which is what I'm saying.

Rivera didn't become a closer because of stress on his body as a starter, for example. It's apples to oranges.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Article on "The Ringer" about Degrom. Author makes an interesting point about Degrom continuing to push up his velocity numbers, even as his injury history is mounting.

https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2023/6...gers-takeaways

I think that speaks to his mindset (or ego) as a pitcher. Instead of pacing himself and continuing to be available while giving up runs here and there, he treats every batter as if they're the last out in the bottom of the 9th of a 1 run game with the bases loaded.

That might be all hardcore and all, but there's a reason why Mariano Rivera, Aroldis Chapman, Dan Quissenberry and company, aren't starting pitchers. The human body is not made to pitch with that intensity for more then a couple innings at a time.

I say Degrom has no chance of making the HOF........unless.....a BIG unless...unless he comes back as a dominant stopper like an Eckersley, and has a long run in that role, well into he 40's.

Some interesting observations and very dead on points.

[G1911]

Johan - 2,025 IP
DeGrom - 1,325 IP

DeGrom is about to turn 35 and needs 700 innings to catch Johan, whose career was considered too short by the vast majority. That’s how brief DeGrom’s career is. He has never been close to the Hall.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by G1911

Johan - 2,025 IP
DeGrom - 1,325 IP

DeGrom is about to turn 35 and needs 700 innings to catch Johan, whose career was considered too short by the vast majority. That’s how brief DeGrom’s career is. He has never been close to the Hall.

As others have mentioned Lincecum is a good comparison, 3 years of lights out ball and gone.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

As others have mentioned Lincecum is a good comparison, 3 years of lights out ball and gone.

Out, out brief candle.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Out, out brief candle.

For DeGrom it is the same spike of greatness but a slow burning end with lots of ashes along the way with the occassional flame

[packs]

He’s like that old Cubs pitcher in Rookie of the Year. You have to wait till he’s got it back in him for one more game.