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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I think it would be interesting to conduct a survey, debate, or whatever |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Gary Nuchereno
Lobert belongs on the tough to find list and possibly Leach batting. Would this mean the color variation on Keeler |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Gary |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Brian C Daniels
you know an awful lot for a young guy! |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Paul Kaufman
Ted - Gary N. mentioned the Keeler portrait Red. Is it possible that the Keeler portrait card was re-issued in the last series using the same red background color as the red in the Keeler Throwing variety ? That would mean that it was not just a "color variation" but a distinct issue in and of itself. Doesn't it seem odd that it is considered the only "color variation" in the E90-1 set ? |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Paul Kaufman
Looking closely at the Keeler Portrait Pink, Keeler's flesh tones are washed out and blend in with the pink background. Maybe the card was re-issued with the red background (on the final print sheet?) to better contrast with his face tones. This re-issuance on the final print run would explain its scarcity. |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
B.C.D. |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Bob Shannon
E90-1 Keeler Pink and Red |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: barrysloate
Interestingly, a pink card could be nothing more than a red card missing some ink. As Ted knows, red 1949 Bowmans can be found with pink backgrounds and are considered nothing more than color variations. But in E90-1, the pink and red variations are considered distinct and both are needed to finish the set. |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Scott Gross
Ted (et al), |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: cmoking
Scott, you wrote that the Jackson is tough. Is that due to people wanting to keep that card and not sell it or does it really seem fewer exist? |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: barrysloate
Jackson is considered a low level toughie, a bit scarcer than a typical common. But of course the demand on the card is enormous, making it seem even tougher than it really is. |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: barrysloate
Returning to my original post about the Keeler- because Keeler is the only player in the set with three poses, and because any player that appears twice has two distinct poses, do most people think the pink-red variation was deliberate or just a substantial print run where the red ink simply wasn't used. There are no other instances in the set where the same pose appears twice. That would of course reduce the number of different cards to 119, but hey, we still haven't worked out all the kinks. |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: cmoking
Are there other red background cards that have more of a pinkish look? All the red background cards I have are nice rich red background with no signs of any low inkage. Those include the Cy Young Boston card (won in Barry's November 2005 auction BTW, thanks), Summers, Mitchell, McQuillan, Pastorius and Ellis. Do any of these cards exist with a lighter red / pinkish look? |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Scott |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
cmoking |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: barrysloate
King- I don't recall ever seeing any of the others with pink backgrounds, but I can't fathom why some of the Keelers would be printed with red backgrounds and then for no apparent reason they would be changed to pink- or vice versa. What is the thinking there? I understand a team change or a variant pose, but why change the background, and only on that one card? |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: barrysloate
Ted- but the Bransfield and Hartsell are different poses. |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: cmoking
Barry and Ted, |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Barry |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: barrysloate
But in Ted's examples those were entirely different poses. The two Keeler poses are identical. Why would they change the color of the background in midproduction? What would be the thinking there? |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: gary nuchereno
Maybe they just ran out of pink!!! or got a good deal on some red ink. |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Gilbert Maines
Operational considerations including running out of ink, changing printers, or including new ones, etc. as well as a deliberate design change are possible causes for the pink/red Keller variation; as is an inking problem. |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
First, it should be noted that there are actually 108 different players depicted in this set, |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Two more real "toughies" from my current collection. |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
PAUL K. |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Bob Shannon
Zach, Check the orange out on this one! |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Scott Gross
A few personal opinions (hardly written in stone): |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Paul Kaufman
Ted - I believe, as I first stated, that the pink Keeler portrait was changed to red in the final print run because the pink just washed out his facial tones. The contrast was much better with the red background and really highlighted Keeler's face. I also think that it is possible that the Red Portrait and the Keeler Throwing were both in the last print run. The Portrait Red was probably not viewed by the company as an additional Keeler card, but merely an improvement of the first one. |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Scott G. |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
Paul K. |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Paul |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: barrysloate
Ted- if you have the latest issue of Old Cardboard magazine they are pictured in their ad. |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Barry |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: barrysloate
Thanks Ted- weren't in today's mail, but will call you when they arrive. |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Scott Fandango
sorry to bump this thread but i think its a great thread and its unfinished... |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: JimB
I agree with King. In the absence of other normally red cards with a pink variation, I would have to conclude that it is intentionally pink, whatever the reason. |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I still think that the E90 set was printed on 30-card sheets. |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Ed Hans
Ted, |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Tony Andrea
Hi Ed , |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Ed Hans
Tony, |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Tony Andrea
10-4 Ed. I'm just thrilled to see that there's finally some discussion about this great set. |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Ted, the 30 card printing seems plausible. Ed, I agree that it isn't as simple as 30 - 30 - 30 - 30. There is no way that Young is as difficult to obtain as Mitchell. |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
ED |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Tony Andrea
Ted Z , |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I can't believe I left out Karger; who, covers both tough teams....as he was traded from Cinci to Boston in June 1909. |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Tony Andrea
Ted Z , |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Based on my (anecdotal) experience collecting the E90-1 set and additional cards from this set, here is my take....... |
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E90-1.....and the "Dirty Thirty" theory
Posted By: Tony Andrea
Ted , |
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