B & L Auction is Up...and I have a question

barrysloate · #1 02-15-2010, 10:06 AM

Hey Scott and Leon- just gave your current auction a once over and it looks like there are a lot of very nice cards. Have a question regarding one lot:

What is the provenance of the Potted Plant scorecard that is part of Henry Chadwick's estate? Is that his handwriting on the scoring grid? That's a very significant scorecard as it is the first game played at Washington Park. Very impressive to say the least...I also saw the ad for Dreyer's Hats at 104 Court Street. That's a couple of blocks from where I live, so I'm going to take a walk over later to see what hats they currently have in stock.

One other note: this is the first time I have seen a slabbed tintype. I find that odd since they don't know the year, the player, or the team. What exactly are they authenticating? But it is a nice image.

Good luck to you both!

Leon · #2 02-15-2010, 10:16 AM

We just thought we would stick a lot of period stuff together and call it something completely different. It seems to work for others so we are giving it a go!! (just kidding)

Seriously, I will have to speak with Scott and the consignor to get the info on that piece (potted plant scorecard). It would never be our intention to mislead someone. As for the slabbed tintype the TPG (SGC) just used common sense based on uniforms and/or equipment, for dating, is what it seems like. The slab offers protection but most collectors of those items know what the are buying. We are very happy with the early baseball lots in this auction. They are neat to look at.

sb1 · #3 02-15-2010, 11:04 AM

I have an email in to the consignor seeking more information. I know it was purchased as being from the Chadwick estate, which as you know a large amount of material has been dispersed from. At this point we are only representing it as from the estate. The scoring does not match his handwriting exactly, however there appear to be two handwritings on the scorecard, some info may have been added after the fact to document the occasion. We will update with info as we can. We also welcome others input on this piece.

Scott

Orioles1954 · #4 02-15-2010, 11:06 AM

Under the "15 minute open rule" what times do your auctions typically close? Hopefully, it won't kill us easterners too much.

James

Leon · #5 02-15-2010, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Orioles1954

Under the "15 minute open rule" what times do your auctions typically close? Hopefully, it won't kill us easterners too much.

James

James- with the success in our last auction of doing an "open-ended" extended time it will probably mean a late finish again. As you well know auction houses work for consignors and I am quite sure a late finish is fine with them. We believe this is the fairest way to run an auction, though it's certainly debatable. If someone wants to bid on any item they will be able too. The last one finished around 3am CST and I would expect this one to be similar...OF course there are no guarantees.
The open ended rule means that you can still bid on a lot, in extended bidding, even if you did not bid on that lot before extended bidding started. Sorry I can't give an exact answer. BTW, a Canadian had the last bid in our last auction so you can blame our friends to the north

for that late finish. take care

sb1 · #6 02-15-2010, 11:16 AM

The last auction ended about 3:00 am. Others have ended closer to 12:30 a.m. I would say somewhere in that ballpark will be expected, but can not guarantee it. This open ended bidding has really been embraced by the bidders. In the event they get pushed past their limit on their main item of interest they can further pursue second or third items down their list.

Scott

Orioles1954 · #7 02-15-2010, 11:41 AM

Ok guys, thanks for the warning

barrysloate · #8 02-15-2010, 11:44 AM

Thanks Scott, Leon and I were talking about it. I know about the Chadwick material that hit the hobby, and assumed that was its source, but I was hoping you knew a little more about it. Thanks for taking the time.

sb1 · #9 02-15-2010, 11:47 AM

or lack thereof, I talked to the consignor who purchased it from a well known dealer as being from the Chadwick estate. The opinion is that Chadwick did not score it, but may have been the one that added the notations. Again, this is our rendering of the facts, we welcome input.

barrysloate · #10 02-15-2010, 12:59 PM

Even if Chadwick didn't score the game, if he added the notations, and that is his handwriting, then that is an extremely significant scorecard. If you can verify that information, you have a real winner- the first game played at historic Washington Park, annotated by Henry Chadwick- boy, you need to play that up.
You know the rule of auctions- hype, hype, hype!

Leon · #11 02-15-2010, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Even if Chadwick didn't score the game, if he added the notations, and that is his handwriting, then that is an extremely significant scorecard. If you can verify that information, you have a real winner- the first game played at historic Washington Park, annotated by Henry Chadwick- boy, you need to play that up.
You know the rule of auctions- hype, hype, hype!

Barry- No doubt if we can confirm the handwriting we will. If we can't confirm it I doubt we will embellish the way some others do. It's not our style.

barrysloate · #12 02-15-2010, 01:09 PM

Leon- never, ever let facts get in the way of a good story!

sb1 · #13 02-15-2010, 01:22 PM

Barry,
I have reviewed many online times written by Chadwick and his writing is inconsistent. Further this scorcard appears to be a mix of printed and cursive writing makes it hard to confirm it's his, some of the letter are spot on, others are different. At this point we can only assert the known, that it is from the historically important first Brooklyn Professional game played at Washington Park and that it did come from the Chadwick Estate. I am in hopes that a more knowledgable than I expert will provide more evidence.

Scott

barrysloate · #14 02-15-2010, 01:30 PM

Scott- your best bet would be an autograph guy. It's possible the person who scored the game posted some notes, and then Henry Chadwick added some of his own, thus accounting for the different penmanship.

But as you said, the historic importance of the first game at Washington Park is testament enough.

packs · #15 02-15-2010, 02:35 PM

Very nice auction. Glad to see my tintype made it in. Lots of cool stuff.

calvindog · #16 02-15-2010, 03:35 PM

http://www.b-lauctions.com/site/bid/...sp?itemid=6327

Rob D. · #17 02-15-2010, 03:39 PM

Scott, Leon:

Not that you asked for it, but one piece of advice: At the end of the auction, don't offer free shipping.

sb1 · #18 02-15-2010, 03:40 PM

Why yes it is, and a much tougher card as well.

Thanks for catching this. Corrected now.

Scott

sb1 · #19 02-15-2010, 03:41 PM

But it will be reasonable!

JP · #20 02-15-2010, 06:41 PM

Oh goodness....I just shorted out my computer drooling over a couple cards I really need that are featured in your auction. I decliare bidder war!!!!

WarHoundR69 · #21 02-16-2010, 08:46 AM

Some nice NonSport Stuff - good job Leon. I just registered & I'll be bidding on some lots.

Leon · #22 02-16-2010, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarHoundR69

Some nice NonSport Stuff - good job Leon. I just registered & I'll be bidding on some lots.

Thanks so much, WarhoundR69!!

I went ahead and merged this new thread with the one already going as I don't want to be a "ball hog". I also toned down my sales pitch

chris · #23 03-05-2010, 04:45 PM

Was anyone on the board able to identify if the handwriting on the scorecard was Henry Chadwick's?

Leon · #24 03-05-2010, 07:13 PM

I don't think the handwriting was ever confirmed as Chadwick's.

sb1 · #25 03-05-2010, 07:21 PM

While we were not able to conclusively state that the card was scored by Chadwick, there was some speculation that some of the notes were added later, perhaps by him. Again this is conjecture, I doubt that anyone that knows for certain will respond until after the auction ends, as they would not want to tip their hand.

Scott

nolemmings · #26 03-05-2010, 08:37 PM

Anyone else having trouble getting on the site?

Mikehealer · #27 03-05-2010, 08:39 PM

I just tried and wasn't able to log on either.

Leon · #28 03-05-2010, 08:57 PM

It seems to be up to me. Please post again here if it's not up for anyone and we will look into it.

glynparson · #29 03-05-2010, 09:03 PM

Works for me too.

Mikehealer · #30 03-05-2010, 09:07 PM

No problems now.

nolemmings · #31 03-06-2010, 06:57 PM

The site just timed out on me, and has been moving snail slow the last 15 minutes

bigfish · #32 03-06-2010, 07:01 PM

slow...can't bid

3-2-count · #33 03-06-2010, 07:01 PM

Timing out on me to. Haven't been able to access for the last 15 mins.

Buythatcard · #34 03-06-2010, 07:01 PM

The site is very sluggish. It has been taking me about 5 minutes to place a bid. Some bids have not gone in because the page came back blank.

Kawika · #35 03-06-2010, 07:02 PM

Got a lot of bids I want to beef up. Can't even log in.

Mikehealer · #36 03-06-2010, 07:04 PM

Same problem here. I can't get past the Home page.

White Borders · #37 03-06-2010, 07:05 PM

To cut costs, they're using Barry's Commodore 64 as the server!

HRBAKER · #38 03-06-2010, 07:07 PM

Same for me, I'll keep trying.

Steve D · #39 03-06-2010, 07:09 PM

You can add me to the list of so-far-unsuccessful loggers-on

Steve

buckyball1 · #40 03-06-2010, 07:09 PM

no go for me either
jim

Sixtofan · #41 03-06-2010, 07:10 PM

appears down?

Michael Peich · #42 03-06-2010, 07:11 PM

Impossible to bid, even though I keep getting emails that I have been out-bid.

And people complain about the Hunt website?

C'mon, stop using Barry's Commodore and get a real server! I'll just claim eminent domain on all my bids and take the lowest one.

buymycards · #43 03-06-2010, 07:12 PM

Worked fine until 8:00 CST when the 15 minute rule began. Now Google doesn't recognize the link, and when it does, it kicks me out right away.

Rick

rhettyeakley · #44 03-06-2010, 07:12 PM

Me too, I was gonna look for some other stuff to throw bids on and wasn't able to prior to the 9pm EST deadline.
-Rhett

White Borders · #45 03-06-2010, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Me too, I was gonna look for some other stuff to throw bids on and wasn't able to prior to the 9pm EST deadline.
-Rhett

Rhett,

I believe that they are using the Open 15-minute rule, so you can bid on any item at any time, even if you haven't bid on something before 9.

asoriano · #46 03-06-2010, 07:15 PM

I keep getting a message saying "the maximum amount of time for a script to execute was exceeded".

jtschantz · #47 03-06-2010, 07:20 PM

Ditto, can't get into the site

Bridwell · #48 03-06-2010, 07:21 PM

Has anyone been able to get in a bid in the last 15 minutes? If not, the entire auction is over! That's based on the written auction rules. Ouch!

glynparson · #49 03-06-2010, 07:22 PM

but couldn't get past lot 25. now can't get on it at all. I'm sure they are working on it. Good luck guys. Hope you get it fixed soon.

Sixtofan · #50 03-06-2010, 07:23 PM

I can get into the home page now but nowhere else