100th anniversary of T201's....show and/or tell us of your cards

[Larry Ordet]

I know I've posted this before, but....

[iggyman]

Originally Posted by Larry Ordet

I know I've posted this before, but....

Those "quantum field theory" dudes are going to have a field day with that pic. Did you get up on your roof to take that shot (with room to spare) or did you borrow the hubble telescope???

Lovely Day...

[Zach Wheat]

Iggy,

I just emailed you as well. Can you tell me the dimensions of the extra margins on the side of your Cobb & Johnson? This might give us an idea of the size of the printing sheet.

Thanks

M Wheat

[onlychild]

One of my favorites, a four in one: Crawford, Cobb, Turner and Stovall.

I like the way Beckett grades these. If all the players can be identified, in this case four, it is considered an error and given a full grade. Had all players not been on there, it would have been severely downgraded instead. Very different than the PSA miscut qualifier.



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Kevin

[tedzan]

Hey guys, some of these T201's came out of MECCA packs from the tobacco plant in New York City (Factory #30).
Other T201's came out of MECCA packs from the tobacco plant in Rochester, New York (Factory #649).

My T201 set of 103 cards (includes an extra Chance/Evers, Johnson/Street, & Crawford/Cobb) have 48 cards with
Factory #649 backs and 5 cards with Factory #30 backs.
Another T201 set has 47 cards with Factory #649 backs and 3 cards with Factory #30 backs.

I'm curious, if this Factory's distribution is typical for these T201 cards ?

Please check out your cards and tell us what you have ? ?

Thanks for your time and effort on this survey.


TED Z

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hey guys, some of these T201's came out of MECCA packs from the tobacco plant in New York City (Factory #30).
Other T201's came out of MECCA packs from the tobacco plant in Rochester, New York (Factory #649).

My T201 set of 103 cards (includes an extra Chance/Evers, Johnson/Street, & Crawford/Cobb) have 48 cards with
Factory #649 backs and 5 cards with Factory #30 backs.
Another T201 set has 47 cards with Factory #649 backs and 3 cards with Factory #30 backs.

I'm curious, if this Factory's distribution is typical for these T201 cards ?

Please check out your cards and tell us what you have ? ?

Thanks for your time and effort on this survey.


TED Z

Ted,

Thanks for the clarification. I just assumed the Rochester plant produced both cig. packs as well as printed cards. And did this likely hold for T206 also? Your answer suggest that is the case. I did not realize cards were printed at one place and then shipped to another factory for insertion into packs.

[tedzan]

Mike W

Yes, American Litho. researched, designed, and printed virtually all the T-cards from 1909 - 1917 (with the exception of T207's and T216's). The
founder of the American Tobacco Co. (J. B. Duke) and the founder of American Litho. (J. Knapp) were very close friends and business associates
in New York City. The American Litho. building still stands on South Park Ave and 19th Street.

The various Tobacco factory's (#25, 30, 42, 649, etc.) manufactured only tobacco products. They did not have the artists, printers, presses, etc.
to have produced BB cards. The cards were shipped by rail to each Factory to be inserted into their cigarette packs.


TED Z

[tedzan]

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[ChiefBenderForever]

So from the sampling of Teds back survey so far it would appear that either more #649 survived or were printed, or for every 10 factory #649 out there only 1-3 factory #30 ? I have four Bender/Oldring T201s, a graded pair with each factory #30/#649 and a raw pair with each factory #30/#649. I had previously thought that they were in equal abundance but it may appear that the #30 is tougher to get ? I really like this set and think a raw example is a must so you can fold it in half and see how they were meant to be used, a very cool card concept and great way to get kids into smoking, I mean collecting baseball cards.

[tedzan]

Johnny Harmonica

A current sampling of the T201 cards listed on ebay results in......

Factory #649......62 cards

Factory #30.........9 cards


I agree with you that these cards are more appreciated when ungraded.





TED Z