FINAL----HOF Ballot- Submit your own!

[UnVme7]

Thank you to those that have participated so far. We'll let this go end of day on the 5th and we'll post final results.

For anyone that is interested, there are currently 97 known ballots that have been made public so far. Out of those 97, there would be 4 elected- Maddux, Glavine, Thomas and Biggio, with Piazza very close behind. All 97 had Maddux, and of course we all know some numbnuts didn't vote for him. But as of right now, on the 97 that we know, Maddux is on every single one.

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by UnVme7

Thank you to those that have participated so far. We'll let this go end of day on the 5th and we'll post final results.

For anyone that is interested, there are currently 97 known ballots that have been made public so far. Out of those 97, there would be 4 elected- Maddux, Glavine, Thomas and Biggio, with Piazza very close behind. All 97 had Maddux, and of course we all know some numbnuts won't be voting for him.

After you posted this.. there will be someone now for sure.

Maddux
Big Hurt
Glavine

[UnVme7]

Originally Posted by Forever Young

After you posted this.. there will be someone now for sure.

Maddux
Big Hurt
Glavine

True, but I'm talking about the official votes, ballots that the writers have made public to us via Twitter, Facebook, etc., not our forum votes. I actually haven't calculated ours yet.

[Kenny Cole]

Maddux
Glavine
Thomas
Biggio
Piazza
Raines
Bonds
Clemens
Trammel
Bagwell

[UnVme7]

We'll go end of today and then total it up tomorrow. So if you haven't voted yet, and would like to participate, please do so before today ends.

Thanks guys!

[Harford20]

Maddux
Glavine
Thomas

[bat_master]

Jack Morris
Tim Raines
Lee Smith
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Alan Trammell
Tom Glavine
Frank Thomas
Greg Maddux
Mike Piazza

[jgmp123]

Maddux
Glavine
Thomas

[UnVme7]

Going once...

[sycks22]

Big Hurt
Maddux
Glavine
Biggio

[Jim65]

Tom Glavine
Frank Thomas
Greg Maddux
Mike Piazza

[UnVme7]

FINAL

Maddux- 100%- 55 votes
Thomas- 85.4%- 47 votes
Glavine- 83.6%- 46 votes

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Biggio- 43.6%- 24 votes
Piazza- 43.6%- 24 votes
Bagwell- 20%- 20 votes
Raines- 30.9%- 17 votes
Clemens- 30.9%- 17 votes
Bonds- 27.2%- 15 votes
Morris- 21.8%- 12 votes
Kent- 18.1%- 10 votes
McGriff- 14.5%- 8 votes
Martinez- 14.5%- 8 votes
Mussina- 12.7%- 7 votes
Trammell- 10.9%- 6 votes
Schilling- 10.9%- 6 votes
L. Smith- 7.2%- 4 votes
Mattingly- 5.4%- 3 votes
McGwire- 5.4%- 3 votes
Sosa- 5.4%- 3 votes

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Palmeiro- 3.6%- 2 votes
Rogers- 1.8%- 1 vote
Belle- 1.8%- 1 vote
Walker- 1.8%- 1 vote

Write-in:
Maris- 1.8%- 1 vote


Thank you to those that participated. Believe it or not, this is actually pretty accurate to the real ballots that have been made public.

[jgmp123]

New Hall of Famers:

Greg Maddux
Tom Glavine
Frank Thomas

[bn2cardz]

Can't get much closer than Biggio did with 74.8% of the votes... come on just round up

[gashouse34]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

Can't get much closer than Biggio did with 74.8% of the votes... come on just round up

Was thinking the same thing....What is that 1 or 2 votes? Tough day for him.

[jgmp123]

I picked up a Biggio auto about an hour ago...hoping to add him to the collection before a price spike. I guess i'll have to wait until next year.

[glynparson]

Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Mark McGwire
Sammy Sosa
Greg Maddux
Tom Glavine
Frank Thomas
Jack Morris
Mike Piazza
Alan Trammell

[Scott Garner]

Nate,
Thanks for starting this thread.
FWIW, congrats to Maddox, Glavine and Thomas.
All 3 deserve to be in the HOF in my opinion.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by gashousegang_1

Was thinking the same thing....What is that 1 or 2 votes? Tough day for him.

Maybe they should grade on a curve. When a DUH! vote like Maddux doesn't get 100% of the vote then you know there are some voters who shouldn't be voting.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

Maybe they should grade on a curve. When a DUH! vote like Maddux doesn't get 100% of the vote then you know there are some voters who shouldn't be voting.

You know, I'm big on wondering how guys like Musial and such don't get 100% but sort of understand with Maddux. Is he a HOF lock? SURE! But with this ballot, crammed with players who are deserving (or at least deserving of a few years' discussion,) then I could see myself voting for 10 other guys, knowing full well Maddux will get in anyway.

Not saying this is the right thing to do, but I'd understand it.

Ken

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

You know, I'm big on wondering how guys like Musial and such don't get 100% but sort of understand with Maddux. Is he a HOF lock? SURE! But with this ballot, crammed with players who are deserving (or at least deserving of a few years' discussion,) then I could see myself voting for 10 other guys, knowing full well Maddux will get in anyway.

Not saying this is the right thing to do, but I'd understand it.

Ken

This is why I say it should be done on a curve. I wonder if that is why Biggio didn't get those extra two votes, some just assumed he would be in and they could put their votes somewhere else. It only takes 2 guys thinking that way in this case.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

Maybe they should grade on a curve. When a DUH! vote like Maddux doesn't get 100% of the vote then you know there are some voters who shouldn't be voting.

Agreed, the writer who voted for guys like JT Snow shouldn't be voting either.

[Forever Young]

Anyone have a link to all the players that got votes and the corresponding percentages they could post?

[earlywynnfan]

This was posted by Rob over on the card side:

MLB.COM

Player (Years on ballot) Total Votes Percentage
Greg Maddux (1) 555 97.2
Tom Glavine (1) 525 91.9
Frank Thomas (1) 478 83.7
Craig Biggio (2) 427 74.8
Mike Piazza (2) 355 62.2
Jack Morris (15) 351 61.5
Jeff Bagwell (4) 310 54.3
Tim Raines (7) 263 46.1
Roger Clemens (2) 202 35.4
Barry Bonds (2) 198 34.7
Lee Smith (12) 171 29.9
Curt Schilling (2) 167 29.2
Edgar Martinez (5) 144 25.2
Alan Trammell (13) 119 20.8
Mike Mussina (1) 116 20.3
Jeff Kent (1) 87 15.2
Fred McGriff (8) 67 11.7
Mark McGwire (8) 63 11.0
Larry Walker (4) 58 10.2
Don Mattingly (14) 47 8.2
Sammy Sosa (2) 41 7.2
Rafael Palmeiro (4) 25 4.4
Moises Alou (1) 6 1.1
Hideo Nomo (1) 6 1.1
Luis Gonzalez (1) 5 0.9
Eric Gagne (1) 2 0.4
J.T. Snow (1) 2 0.4
Armando Benitez (1) 1 0.2
Jacque Jones (1) 1 0.2
Kenny Rogers (1) 1 0.2
Sean Casey (1) 0 0.0
Ray Durham (1) 0 0.0
Todd Jones (1) 0 0.0
Paul Lo Duca (1) 0 0.0
Richie Sexson (1) 0 0.0
Mike Timlin (1) 0 0.0
__________________

[earlywynnfan]

So if Mussina didn't come close, what do you guys think of Pettite's chances?

[Forever Young]

So... how do people get nominated?? Like.... these guys.......

Moises Alou (1) 6 1.1
Hideo Nomo (1) 6 1.1
Luis Gonzalez (1) 5 0.9
Eric Gagne (1) 2 0.4
J.T. Snow (1) 2 0.4
Armando Benitez (1) 1 0.2
Jacque Jones (1) 1 0.2
Kenny Rogers (1) 1 0.2
Sean Casey (1) 0 0.0
Ray Durham (1) 0 0.0
Todd Jones (1) 0 0.0
Paul Lo Duca (1) 0 0.0
Richie Sexson (1) 0 0.0
Mike Timlin (1) 0 0.0

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by Forever Young

So... how do people get nominated?? Like.... these guys.......

Moises Alou (1) 6 1.1
Hideo Nomo (1) 6 1.1
Luis Gonzalez (1) 5 0.9
Eric Gagne (1) 2 0.4
J.T. Snow (1) 2 0.4
Armando Benitez (1) 1 0.2
Jacque Jones (1) 1 0.2
Kenny Rogers (1) 1 0.2
Sean Casey (1) 0 0.0
Ray Durham (1) 0 0.0
Todd Jones (1) 0 0.0
Paul Lo Duca (1) 0 0.0
Richie Sexson (1) 0 0.0
Mike Timlin (1) 0 0.0

Great question, Ben.

[earlywynnfan]

I believe they take anyone who meets the criteria, which would be what, not on the banned list and played at least 8 seasons.

[almostdone]

The criteria to be on the HOFERS ballot is to have played for at least ten complete seasons and be retired for at least five full seasons along with not being on the banned list. If a person receives at least 5% of the votes cast they will roll over to the next years ballot. If not they are taken off the ballot. 75% is the minimum needed to gain entrance into the hall of fame.
Drew

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

So if Mussina didn't come close, what do you guys think of Pettite's chances?

I think Pettitte is on the fence, he did admit taking a PED.

[perezfan]

I would give Pettite a 35 - 40% chance. And that's across his entire term of eligibility. Post-season achievements and playing most years in NY helps - PED factor hurts...

Maybe the passage of time will soften things, and his honest admission will be well-embraced, as opposed to most others' elusiveness, lying and deception (McGwire/Bonds/Clemens/Palmeiro/Sosa/A-Rod).

But if you are asking about first-ballot, I would say less than a 5% chance.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by Jim65

I think Pettitte is on the fence, he did admit taking a PED.

He'll never get in via the sportswriters IMO bc he either lied initially or later about Clemens.

[toyman55]

I am sure I'm not the oldest here but at age 65 I have been a basball fan since I was 7 years old. As a fan I profess though a Dodger fan I love all the teams and all the players. I ask those of you who are against the PED players what were you doing the day Mark McGwire broke the home record and how did you react? Yes Bonds and Clemens and McGwire and Sosa took a substance the sports writers knew about, the owners knew about, even the players knew but yet none of them and my guess is that those here never stood up and yelled "HEY THEY ARE CHEATING". Shoeless Joe Jackson cheated yet many here want him in the hall. Pete Rose bet on baseball but in my book deserves the hall. I VOTE for the PED player who spent many of their years playing fairly to get into the Hall. That's my opinion and I respect yours.

Originally Posted by toyman55

I ask those of you who are against the PED players what were you doing the day Mark McGwire broke the home record and how did you react?

I was yelling HEY THEY'RE CHEATING, and I was doing it all year long in 1998. A friend and I had an email dialogue going throughout the year discussing what a shame it all was. I remember sending him scans of McGwire's and Sosa's earlier baseball cards and the two of us joking about the 60 pounds of muscle they miraculously added. I remember us joking about Sosa's inability to reach down for ground balls hit to him in the outfield; I remember feeling badly for the Maris family when it was obvious that the HR record would not just be broken but obliterated.

My friend and I had a similar email dialogue 3 years later regarding Bonds, only I rooted FOR Bonds. Because I thought it further invalidated the "record", and because I figured it might result in some kind of investigation and change, which it eventually did.

Later, when Bonds was chasing Aaron, I was convinced there was a nod-and-a-wink among managers to walk Bonds like crazy in order to slow down his progress - to delay his setting the record until they could find just cause to suspend him, or until his body broke down and he retired. Sadly, Bonds prevailed, however MLB did manage to keep him from 3,000 hits and possibly the all-time runs, RBIs and EBH records.

[toyman55]

I fully see your point. I myself believe the fans were entitled to a game without cheating as well but you or I or any of the fans could not have stopped it. Yes we all knew what was going on but MLB and the commissioner and the owners and the baseball writers and announcers who could have made a difference didn't! Clemens and Bonds among others were some of the greatest athletes prior to PED. I believe Clemens as well as Bonds and others were like kids in a Candy store in that baseball is a short career and this was a way to stay in the limelight longer and to be productive. YES I thought it was wrong but I also think there is a place in the hall for these athletes.

[HRBAKER]

They had it all before they started. It was their choice and now what they are dealing with is part of the bargain they made. Nobody but their pride, ego and greed made them do it. Not the fans, not the Commissioner, not the writers, not the non-doping teammates. Your point is a good one about no one stepping forward (sans Canseco for multiple purposes) but they each are responsible for their own behavior. The players are responsible for the mess, not the writers.

[toyman55]

Jeff, I don't want to sound like what they did is right because it wasn't. I do think that at the time Mcgwire and Sosa were banging out homers fans were flocking to the stadiums filling seats and not only making owners rich but if you recall fan attendance had been dwindling and interest fading. Point being no one in baseball wanted to say anything because they were saving and more important bringing back fan interest. Maybe we should toss Gaylord Perry and Burlleigh Grimes, Ed Walsh and a few others out of the Hall for throwing a spitball! That was cheating as well. Do you think Don Drysdale who was infamous for throwing at batters and hitting them? Don hit 154 batters, the great Walter Johnson hit 205, Nolan Ryan 158 BUT Koufax who pitched in pain isn't even in the top ten of hitting batters. Do you think some of those guys cheated. My point is for me and me alone, I cheered all the PED guys at the time and was happy to see new and younger fans coming out and watching the game. I say cut some slack, vote them in and if you have to say they cheated for a period of time then say it and get over it.

[HRBAKER]

What were we supposed to do? Stop going to the games or cheering bc some of the players decided to cheat? I don't feel compelled to cut them any slack just bc I kept going to or watching the games. Not arguing with you at all, but this is on them alone to me.

[UnVme7]

Originally Posted by Scott Garner

Nate,
Thanks for starting this thread.
FWIW, congrats to Maddox, Glavine and Thomas.
All 3 deserve to be in the HOF in my opinion.

Yeah you bet!

It was actually fairly accurate as far as who was elected and who fell off. Good job everyone, and thanks for participating.