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Posted By: MW
<< Mike, you are big on facts. >> |
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Posted By: jay behrens
Marty, just curious, if after everything that has now been presented to you, are you going to mention that the fact there is a better alternative out there in the grading field, or are you going to continue to let your customers blindly buy product, knowing full well that what you sell is inferior? I know that if I was your customer and found out that you kept promoting something that was inferior, I would not be inclinded to continue to do business with you. |
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Posted By: jay behrens
You did forget to respond to one very important question that was asked of you about what you sell. |
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Posted By: RC_McKenzie
Derek "Grady". How pollyanna-Dickensonian is that for a name? "Grady" if you're reading this... you got a Pet Cigarettes Battling Nelson coming down the pike. Don't do me wrong, bro. |
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Posted By: runscott
...I will really miss Marty's "un-biased" "expert" opinions (sorry, I can't find a laughing smiley). |
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Posted By: Jerry O'Conner
Sorry if this is a double post. I did not see my initial post show up so I am doing it again. |
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Posted By: MW
Jerry -- |
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Posted By: Jerry
As they say on some of the radio talk shows, "I am a long time listener, first time caller." |
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Posted By: LEON
Jerry is talking about that huge black looking card in the middle of the screen with the name of "Fregosi" on it......I, too, am not versed in that series.....are you knocking it because it has no perforations? later ya'll......and welcome aboard Jerry.... |
#60
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Posted By: runscott
Personally, I never cared much about "getting a head". |
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Posted By: LEON
and I am supposed to know that? I have an E100 that all you can see is Melchoir's head too....I didn't think anything was wrong with it.....oh well....guess I better stay in the PreWWII era....later |
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Posted By: Lee Behrens
I think this is where we can call Mike a DUNDERHEAD. |
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Posted By: Jerry
I can't tell from the scan, but maybe the card is not the unperforated version. |
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Posted By: Todd (nolemmings)
I have dealt with Marty personally on a few occasions, and believe him to be very personable and fair. While I understand the comments about his website, I recall that more than half of his "stuff" was ungraded, perhaps because he carries odd ball stuff that isn't always conducive to slabbing-- one of the reasons I visit his tables. I also remember speaking to him at length over three Tango Eggs Beschers that were graded, and he did not present as pro-PSA in any way that I noticed (as an SGC fan, I usually remember any PSA puffing). |
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Posted By: runscott
I collect baseball from pre-wwI almost exclusively, and barely have a clue about anything more modern. |
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Posted By: runscott
If you are going to put on a front that you are something you aren't (or in Marty's case that you aren't something that you are) then you better be ready to take some fire. He popped in, said a few things that were self-contradicting, bad-mouthed the board a little and mentioned it was fun to start fights, then picked up his toys and went home when a couple of people responded in a way he didn't like. So what did we do wrong again? |
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Posted By: Hankron
I don't specalize in cards and have owned exactly three graded cards in my life (2 PSA, 1 SGC, each worth about $2). My guess is that PSA, SGC and Beckett are all legitimate graders-- each with having comparative weaknesses and strengths, or being better in one area instead of another. I think these arguments often come down to a collector's emotional attachment to her grader of choice-- only enhanced by the fact that she has invested lots of money in that company's product. I think that in many PSA collectors' minds, the weaknesses of SGC are artificially magnified and PSA's weakness are casually dismissed. And visa versa. |
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Posted By: Hankron
And if you don't beleive that there are cliques: how come the 'PSA' board is over there, and the 'SGC' board is over here. It's just like high school all over again. |
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Posted By: Lee Behrens
There is a forum on SGC'c site. This is a vintage board that most members prefer SGC. Mike goes over to the PSA board and gets kicked off, what good does it do to go to the board if they kick you off because they don't like your views? |
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Posted By: hanrkon
<<< Mike goes over to the PSA board and gets kicked off, what good does it do to go to the board if they kick you off because they don't like your views? >>> |
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Posted By: Anonymous
I didn't say that you did anything wrong-- please re-read my post. |
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Posted By: MW
David, |
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Posted By: Robert
How do you attach a picture on to a thread? Rob |
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Posted By: runscott
and I feel no urge whatsoever to re-read it. |
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Posted By: Anonymous
SGC is way less restrictive on grading T-200's! |
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Posted By: Brian C Daniels
SGC is way less restrictive on grading T-200's! |
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Posted By: marty
I know that I said that I would not post again, but I did forget one thing. Will someone please post a scan of a card that has a grade of a 30, 40, or 50 that if centered well would have graded 88 or better. |
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Posted By: Elliot
Just to be clear. This is NOT a SGC board. It is true that a number of posters have strong favorable opinions regarding SGC, but it is far from unanimous. Different viewpoints are always welcome here, although sometimes it appears otherwise. A number of people just have strong opinions--don't let them get you down. I think all the major grading companies have their strength and weaknesses. The best advice is to buy the card and not the holder. View the grade as a guide. |
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Posted By: B c Daniels
"Can't we just all grade along" |
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Posted By: MW
Night blindness -- the inability to see after dusk or at night -- is the most common ocular manifestation of moderate to severe vitamin A deficiency. |
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Posted By: MW
Classy move, Marty. |
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Posted By: MW
Just so you guys are aware -- Marty tried to change images on me. The image he had posted for #6 above was originally a PSA 6 1951 Bowman Ted Williams. I have reposted the correct image farther down. |
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Posted By: petecld
What are we supposed to be wondering about: |
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Posted By: Jeff Kennedy
Hello All, |
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Posted By: Lee Behrens
Jeff, The subject was a topic that has been hashed over and will continue to be. I feel that sometimes this is the best way to gain information at times. As long as there are no personal attacks I feel there is no problem.. Every member of the board is a different person with different thoughts and opinions. I feel that no matter what your opinion there is alot of respect for the people on the board. I know that personally I tend to bid a bit higher on board members auctions and wouldn't hesitate to buy or trade from them. Sometimes you just don't know what topic will get this board rolling, just climb aboard and enjoy the ride, I know I have. |
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Posted By: Scott Forrest
Bill calls me "Mr. 1st Amendment", so the following comment shouldn't come as any surprise: If someone ever tells you what you can and can't post regarding vintage baseball cards, just tell them to go take a jump. I also don't see a problem with questioning the motives of certain posters - after all, this isn't an encyclopedia, it is a forum of flesh-and-blood human beings who should be communicating honestly. |
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Posted By: Scott Whittenburg
I've popped quite a few cards from various companies and resubmitted to other slabbers and here's my opinion... |
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Posted By: MW
<< The vast majority of SGC cards I pop and submit to PSA come back with lower grades, even on old cards. >> |
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Posted By: MarkThompson
MW: “I would say that roughly 70% of the time, they come back graded lower.” |
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Posted By: jay behrens
>“Drastic loss of confidence” – A quick search |
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Posted By: MW
This proud PSA supporter above us obviously has a large financial stake in PSA graded cards. If he weren't so worried about how his investment is going south, he wouldn't be here responding to me. I'll tell you something, Mark Thompson, the cracks are in the dam and they're getting larger and there's nothing you can do about it. Coming here from the CU forum to argue with me only shows how truly desperate you've become. |
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Posted By: MarkThompson
That's the whole point! You supported the silliness very well. His rush to judgement claims (with weak support) are as silly as the "quick search on ebay" I mention. |
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Posted By: Mark Thompson
How dare I come to this temple and curse. Do you know who you are quesitoning. He sells PSA cards on his web site. Silly, silly, silly. |
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Posted By: MW
So, tell me, Mark Thompson is this you on eBay? |
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Posted By: MW
No offense, Mark, but vintage collectors populate this forum. The knowledge base is pretty expansive here. I have full confidence that everyone can think for himself or herself. The CU forum I have my doubts about, but not this one. |
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Posted By: MW
Mark, |
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Posted By: MW
No offense, Mark, but vintage collectors populate this forum. The knowledge base is pretty expansive here. I have full confidence that everyone can think for himself or herself. The CU forum I have my doubts about, but not this one. |
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Posted By: Brian Weisner
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Posted By: Mark Thompson
It was only a matter of time before you edit, for spelling my first post. The web site is not mine and the spelling is different from my e-mail (I would think you would pick that up) anyway. It has to come to derogatory comments because anybody that points out anything contrary to your your logic is an "idiot". Lower the bar and flex up on counterpoints. That goes with your rush to bring up NASA and AAA. Even you know that PSA is not even in the ballpark with them. |
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