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Posted By: David Atkatz
And just what role did that committee play in the campaign? |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Howard- no, I meant no disrespect at all. He seemed like a decent soul who just wasn't up to the task. But Hartman played him loopy, for whatever reason. As Dan B. said, often an SNL skit is the first thing you remember when some topics are brought up. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Joe, The One would never lie. If he said he never heard or knew about Wright making those statements, I believe him. After all, he is The One. So what if he disinvited Wright from the ceremony announcing The One's candidacy for president because, as he told Wright, "Your sermons can get a little rough"? That doesn't suggest that The One knew about the particulars of any of said "rough" sermons. Regardless, when the rise of the oceans begin to slow and our planet begins to heal you won't give a damn about the fact that maybe The One told a fib. |
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Posted By: Joe D.
David.... |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Jeff- that's exactly my point, that despite the fact that Obama is intelligent and has good ideas he's not capturing the public's imagination. I think he may lose and then... gasp...four more years. |
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Posted By: S Gross
Where's Gus Hall when you need him ??? ???? |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Jeff, how many times are you going to mention the background from the Denver convention? As if that's the most important thing in this race....that's right McCain has no issues to run on so it's attack, attack, attack on the stupidest, most mundane things. American's (for the most part) aren't stupid...we know who's been running this country for the last 7 1/2 years and now they want a mulligan. Way to take ownership at the GOP convention...no mention of Bush/Cheney...Hell you couldn't even find the word "Republican" anywhere inside or outside of the building. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Dan, the comment about the background is just one thing; the fact is there are many, many things that trouble the typical voter about Obama. Had Obama selected Hilary as his running mate, do you even think the Dems would be in the position they are in right now? Course not. As for attack ads, Obama's campaign runs them all the time so it's hardly a Republican thing (even if they did invent it). As for the polls, they are sliding all in McCain's favor right now. Apparently Obama is only 5 points up in NY now, which is incredible. |
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Posted By: Brian Martin
I speak in tongues. |
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Posted By: David Atkatz
According to McCain, you're the "best choice of running mate in American history." |
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Posted By: barrysloate
The Reverend Wright incident was definitely a gaffe, but I don't think the whole election will be based on one's feelings about it. Obama came out of it looking bad, how about we give him one strike and move on to more important things. |
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Posted By: jdrum
A rock star, a beauty queen and two partisan hacks. But I am a cynic by nature. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Barry, it wasn't a gaffe, it was a lie. And honesty is an important character trait in a presidential nominee. And that one lie exposed Obama to some large extent; he was on such a high pedestal compared to McCain that a similar lie from McCain would have had much less of an effect on voters. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
So Bush and Cheney never lied? |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Of course they did. Where did I say that they did not? Difference is, they got caught after being elected. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Touche. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
So Jeff, you think McCain/Palin are the people who are really going to clean up Washington? So what do you think of McCain surrounding himself with lobbyists and the fact that Palin was not really against Pork barrel spending when it came to her state? |
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Posted By: Brian Martin
"When only 1/3rd of the population supported George Washington." |
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Posted By: ali_lapoint
rev. wright was not part of obama's campaign. if anyone is going to pretend that wright speaks for obama or that a sermon given before obama was even running for president somehow speaks for obama and his principles they are trying desperately hard to find fault in someone totally separated from any of those statements. to try to portray wright as obama is a right wing blow-hard talking point and makes absolutely no sense. |
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Posted By: Steve Murray
"The sad thing is here I know you're smarter than the average bear which leads me to believe you're being intellectually dishonest, for a "lifelong Democrat" to be voting for the first time in his life for a Republican after 8 years of perhaps the most dishonest administration in the history of the United States... |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Dan, the issue of 'cleaning up Washington' is not the only issue that matters to me. Sad to say, in today's day and age we actually have bigger problems we're facing. I know that of McCain and Obama only one of them has shown major bipartisan tendencies -- and it is obviously not Obama. That is important to me to some degree as is national defense which is paramount. |
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Posted By: howard
"And just what role did that committee play in the campaign?" |
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Posted By: Joe D.
Dan |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Well you sure made it sound like the Reverend Wright and Denver backdrop were your major issues with Obama, but I will note that Obama's plan for the war in Iraq was endorsed by the Iraqi's (no sense in staying if we're going against the will of the people...you know that's the problem with Democracies! Heh!) and sure enough even Dubya came around to it after that. Also that war in Afghanistan...remember that one? Yeah Obama's plan also was endorsed by McCain who realized he had to come around to it. |
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Posted By: Joe D.
"rev. wright was not part of obama's campaign. " |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Yeah, Dan, good point. I doubt you'll change my mind. |
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Posted By: ali_lapoint
i'm curious about your feelings on obama, jeff. you say that national security is paramount in your decision on who you are going to vote for. why do you think mccain is the better choice? |
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Posted By: howard
Like I said, barry, I know you weren't being disrespectful. I remeber laughing at that Stockdale bit myself. Phil Hartman is my all time favorite SNLer. |
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Posted By: sagard
To me the question is whether or not McCain is the same man he was back in '00 or if he has officially moved to the mainstream fiscally irresponsible Republican party. Right now he isn't offering much except a nice ability to pickup hot younger women. |
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Posted By: leon
I feel that in the end I will vote for the person I want leading me (the country) as President. I think both candidates are very good. So, who would I prefer leading me? McCain or Obama? For me it's McCain....he is an American hero and has more integrity than anyone I know of. He is the real deal. It doesn't hurt that his blood line includes a father and grandfather that were both 4 star generals. As I say...I like them both but to lead me and the US...McCain.... |
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Posted By: ali_lapoint
how much integrity does a guy who actually was a POW have when he turns around and votes against the CIA Torture Ban? not to mention his involvement in the keating 5 scandal which left approx. 21,000 elderly people pennyless. |
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Posted By: leon
How much integrity does someone have by staying anonymous on the board? I know your name and if you continue in these types of threads I will put your name (FW) on every one of your posts.....I don't understand the anonymity thing.....Last time you said I used the rules selectively then when I asked you to show proof you clammed up...not anymore....You either put your name out here and debate or you need to stay in factual card threads. Email me if you don't understand......thanks |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Ali...you're right -- he has no integrity at all. Not a shred. Not even when he was getting tortured in Vietnam for 5 1/2 years and refused to go home early in favor of other men. Oh, by the way, was Obama snorting coke and smoking pot in high school around that time? |
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Posted By: barrysloate
When McCain was in Viet Nam Obama was about four years old...and I think your last comment was over-the-top cynical. Is it possible to smoke pot as a teenager and lead the country as an adult? |
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Posted By: Jim VB
Leon, |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Actually, Obama was 12 when McCain was released. So he was in Junior High School, sorry for the error. |
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Posted By: leon
I only found out a day or two ago......I don't know the story you are speaking of..... |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Jim, is that true? It is the same guy? |
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Posted By: paulstratton
I don't know who wins this election, but I feel it is a one term, sacrificial lamb type Presidency anyway. The 2012 election should be interesting. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Paul, that may very well be true. If McCain wins...is it Hilary v. Palin in 2012? Can you imagine? |
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Posted By: barrysloate
McCain does have integrity, and he is a war hero, but there's a bigger issue. |
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Posted By: paulstratton
No way Jeff, I don't even want to think about that one. I can't believe I'm saying this, but looking back on the whole process I think Hill(despite all her faults) is probably the best person for this job. Ok, somebody shoot me now. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Barry, McCain after disposing of Romney was hated by the "true conservatives" in the Republican party. They viewed him as too liberal, too bipartisan, etc. He's hardly a Bush-type Republican. He's actually sponsored more legislation with Democrats than he has with Republicans over the years. |
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Posted By: Tom Boblitt
attribute WAY too much--both positively AND negatively--to the presidency..........it's the lackies and tagger-oners that unfortunately influence WAY too much of our country's direction. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Tom, true, true. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Did Palin come in first place on the new reality show "America's Hottest V.P.'s?" |
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Posted By: Todd Schultz
this will be my only post in this thread, as politics, like religion, is pointless to argue and almost certainly bound to lead to at least some bad will in the end. Still, since off-topic threads seem to be the theme of the week, I'll pony up mine. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Yawn. Politics of fear. I guess that big hole in the ground a few miles from my apartment where 3000 Americans died was just a figment of my imagination. No reason to be scared about that. No experience in the VP? Too pretty? Snarky. Nah, she's just a governor. Too bad she's not a junior senator who spent a whole 100 days in the Senate before running for his next office. Now that's the kind of experience I want. |
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Posted By: Scott T
Disclosure: I am a fiscal conservative/social libertarian and fall into the “strict constructionist” category concerning the Constitution. |
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Posted By: John K
The question today seems to be will Americans vote for The Great(er) Depression or the black guy. |
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