Fred Payne Comparison

[Greenmonster]

I was going through some postcards in my collection and found this Fred Payne Dietsche card with what appears to be a signature on the back. Anyone have a comparison signature? It's probably a long shot but I thought I'd ask. Thanks. Jim

[HexsHeroes]

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close up of signature (the entire side of GPC is not pictured)

[Greenmonster]

Vincent...Thank you. That makes this hunt more interesting. There maybe a 40+ year difference between when the postcard may have been signed and the GPC. I see similarities.

[milkit1]

He is a tricky one. I checked on ancestry and believe I found him. The record books have him as being born 09/02/80 however this Fred Payne I found is born 09/02/79. The ww2 card matches the GPC for sure and has his correct birthplace of Camden. Hard to tell on the 1918 draft card if its the same as the sig on the postacrd. The weird line at the end of the F kind of looks like the Capital F he wrote earlier in the document. There is also a similiar T stroke on Thomas at the top of the 1918 document. Also I think its interesting that the postcard sig has the middle initial to it
fred payne.jpg

payne 2.jpg

[Greenmonster]

Sean...Great research....thank you for taking the time to investigate....I was wondering about his middle initial on the postcard too, he is identified as Fred T. Payne on the postcard back, this may have caused him to sign the same.

[milkit1]

no sweat!
I hadnt noticed that on the postcard that it lists him that way. Wouldlove to see some other opinions on this. Its great studying these rare deadball era signatures

[HexsHeroes]

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One from a 3x5
One from a pm 1945 GPC
Final one the signature detail from a 1948 Wingler questionnaire.

[ATP]

I will be the first one to say that it's not the same signer. The F is pretty much the same, all through the years, especially the draft card, but not the postcard. The postcard example has completely different formation and would only be a few years separated.

[Greenmonster]

Hi Jeff...I don't think it's that obvious, there are differences but I'm noticing a number of similarities between all of the samples:

The hook on the cross of the "F"

Slant and openness of the "r"

Open "e" in the first name

"a" is consistently under the loop of the "P"

open humped "n"

closed "e" in the last name.

Thoughts?

[ATP]

Sorry, my opinion, but even the letters you pointed out look different to my eye. I don't see similarities at all.

[ATP]

Just look at where the P is started in each, that should be enough.