T207 Red Cross (known examples)

[ZachS]

I'm still doing some research on Louisiana issues and I've been looking into T207 Anon Fact. 3 and Red Cross.

The Encyclopedia of Baseball Cards mentions that 4 Red Cross backs were discovered in LA in 1983. I found mention of a Lange being discovered sometime after that. And of course we all know about the 2010 Louisiana Find which added 8 more Red Cross backs (including a Lowdermilk). This should bring the grand total to 13 known examples.

While I've found many articles mentioning the first 4 examples and that they were all Chicago players, I haven't found a list of which 4 players were found. I did find evidence of 2 of the original 4 cards. One shows up in VCP and Leon posted a Weaver in a thread here.

Looking for confirmation of the other 2 examples from the original find. If anyone here has any of these please feel free to show them off.

Initial group of four:
1. Russel Blackburne - (PSA 3 in REA on 5/2/10 sold for $9,400.00. Obviously not the same card as the SGC 10 from the Louisiana Find in August 2010)
2. George Weaver (SGC 20) - LEON?
3. ????
4. ????

Discovered sometime between "finds":
5. Frank Lange - (VCP shows an SGC 10 in Mastro Auction on 2/23/07 sold for $4,652.40)

Group of eight from the "Louisiana Find":
6. Louis Lowdermilk (SGC 40)
7. John Adams (SGC 50)
8. Russell Blackburne (SGC 10)
9. William Cunningham (SGC 40)
10. Otto Miller (SGC 40)
11. Red Nelson (SGC 30)
12. Don Carlos Ragan (SGC 30)
13. George Tyler (SGC 30)

[Leon]

It should't be too difficult to find those other 2 cards somewhere......

[ZachS]

Originally Posted by Leon

It should't be too difficult to find those other 2 cards somewhere......

You would think... especially given the fact that I've seen so many articles/posts where people say they were all Chicago players. I've also seen mention that all 4 cards had glue residue on the top of the reverse (just like your Weaver there). It seems like quite a few people have all the info on these cards... EXCEPT which players were on them.

That's a nice Weaver. Do you have any info about its history? Lew Lipset mentions the original 4 card find was made in 1983. Do you know anything about that find or where this card went between then and when it ended up in your collection?

[Bridwell]

I'm sure one of the missing two is Ward Miller. The other is rumored to be Joe Benz. I'm the owner of the Adams SGC 50.

[frohme]

With Leon's ubiquitous Weaver above, these are the other ones I've seen an image of. The 11 accounted ones for in your list, I believe.

Like Ron, and others, I have Benz as a definite, and both Ward Miller (two separate confirmations) and George Mogridge only 1 as the possible other card(s).

[ZachS]

Originally Posted by frohme

Like Ron, and others, I have Benz as a definite, and both Ward Miller (two separate confirmations) and George Mogridge only 1 as the possible other card(s).

Wait... you say there are 2 different WARD Miller cards? And a Benz? And Mogridge?

If that's the case then you just took the list to at least 15. That can't be right can it?

EDIT - I think I read that wrong... you're saying you have 2 confirmations of ONE Ward Miller card... not 2 separate cards.

So the 11 I have listed plus Benz plus Ward Miller OR George Mogridge (13 total cards)? Or 11 plus Benz, Ward Miller, AND Mogridge (14 total cards)?

[ZachS]

I found this thread mentioning Ward Miller http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=84140

I also know that when I sold the Blackburne, there had been another (5th) card discovered at the time - a Ward Miller I believe (if I remember correctly). The Miller was discovered in NJ by an old time collector who had it in with his other T207's.

Since he made mention of the 5th card (the lone card found between the 1983 find and the 2010 find) I dismissed it as a case of mistaken identity. The lone card should be Lange. Now that you mention Miller as well we might be on to something.

I can't believe it's this difficult to figure out these 2 cards with so many people talking about them in past articles.