1989 fleer Randy Johnson

[Hatorade]

Originally Posted by jacksoncoupage

When it comes to this card, there are strong arguments to be made that Fleer made many changes to the card between the darkest tinting over the sign and the full blackout background (the final version that has a clean, solid black background). Most collectors argue this is ink variance but I am fairly certain there are legitimate, albeit very similar, changes to the background. This portion of the card's production run is responsible for a lot of the confusion surrounding the card.

There is a feature that isn't on any of the common cards (Full blackout background) that I've seen, but that is on every one of the error cards I have(Over 1000 and climbing) that I think could put to rest any claims that ink variance is the difference and not wholesale changes Fleer made to the editing process of card. If PSA would use this it could at least stop them from labeling some of the heavily tented errors as Completely Blacked Out. Unfortunately, the Ad On Scoreboard and Ad Partially Obscured labels will still be butchered by them.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Hatorade

There is a feature that isn't on any of the common cards (Full blackout background) that I've seen, but that is on every one of the error cards I have(Over 1000 and climbing) that I think could put to rest any claims that ink variance is the difference and not wholesale changes Fleer made to the editing process of card. If PSA would use this it could at least stop them from labeling some of the heavily tented errors as Completely Blacked Out. Unfortunately, the Ad On Scoreboard and Ad Partially Obscured labels will still be butchered by them.

Welcome to the forum! Glad someone besides myself hoards the error versions. I am guessing you are talking the little red swirl on the non blacked out versions.

[Hatorade]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Welcome to the forum! Glad someone besides myself hoards the error versions. I am guessing you are talking the little red swirl on the non blacked out versions.

No, the red squiggle on the bottom right of the card you're referring to is on all cards with red tininting, but isn't on the majority of cards with green tinting. There is a small black hair like marking on all the error cards and not on any of the CBO(common) cards.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Hatorade

No, the red squiggle on the bottom right of the card you're referring to is on all cards with red tininting, but isn't on the majority of cards with green tinting. There is a small black hair like marking on all the error cards and not on any of the CBO(common) cards.

I will have to grab a stack and look for the small black hair. Been a while since I have looked at any of them. Did just get a 9 card binder sheet full of error versions in a big junk era purchase including a couple really dark green scribble versions. Never looked close to se what version of the scribble they are.

[jp1216]

Had the pleasure of opening a '89 Fleer cello box last month. Case numbers identified it as mid December '88. Easily a month prior to the FF discovery. Found the Johnson Marlboro with red tint.

The Johnson was corrected, fixed, adjusted way before the Ripken FF. Cool variety.

[jp1216]

Here is a pic of the clear Marlboro. Not mine. Resides in a PSA 9 slab.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by jp1216

Had the pleasure of opening a '89 Fleer cello box last month. Case numbers identified it as mid December '88. Easily a month prior to the FF discovery. Found the Johnson Marlboro with red tint.

The Johnson was corrected, fixed, adjusted way before the Ripken FF. Cool variety.

Did you get a Wade Boggs and if so did you look to see if it was the super rare no dot version? Our friend Sean busted that cello box recently and found one in it.

[jp1216]

sorry Ben. No Boggs versions that I recall.

[jacksoncoupage]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Did you get a Wade Boggs and if so did you look to see if it was the super rare no dot version?

So funny. It is an extremely rare variation (and I believe that it likely originated without the mark and something happened to the plate early on), but I couldn't get $20 for it over a 4 month period of relistings. Fleer E&V collectors are definitely NOT Topps master set collectors.