365 Days of Roberto Clemente

[rats60]

Originally Posted by docpatlv

Apparently you, Howard, rats and I have been stricken with the same disease.

I must be terminnaly ill. I have had it for 40 years.

[hcv123]

to know no worse illness

[hcv123]

Anyone win any cool Clemente stuff in any of the recently closed auctions?

I got the 63 IDL, 65 Macgregor and 72 OPC I/A in Small Traditions. Underbidder on the 52 Winter League composite photo in REA

[rats60]

Originally Posted by hcv123

Anyone win any cool Clemente stuff in any of the recently closed auctions?

I got the 63 IDL, 65 Macgregor and 72 OPC I/A in Small Traditions. Underbidder on the 52 Winter League composite photo in REA

I won this one in REA. I remember buying packs of these when I was a kid and pulling the Pirates poster. Are those 3 you won in Small Traditions upgrades? I would have thought you'd have picked up those a long time ago.

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by rats60

I won this one in REA. I remember buying packs of these when I was a kid and pulling the Pirates poster. Are those 3 you won in Small Traditions upgrades? I would have thought you'd have picked up those a long time ago.

I threw a couple of bids at it, but focused on other things early. Had some difficulty letting that 52 composite photo go.

The ST pickups are upgrades for me. Working on a registry set - upgrading certain condition rarities as they come up. Expect to make it to 3rd place this year ( currently 5th) - having bazooka complete boxes, I am unwilling to spend " real money" on singles and panels- certain other things there don't much care for ( key chain insert, Atlantic panels) Possibly eventually make 2nd. Also unwilling to send pristine 1968 bazooka box to PSA so they can bend the flap to squeeze into their holder. Things got kind of boring ( except this past year) so decided to do the registry. As I explained to my kids - the registry set is just part of the collection.


On a separate note - Anyone happen to know who won clemente's ws rings from the hunt sale?

[docpatlv]

Day 129


In 1970, the Philadelphia Phillies produced programs with stars from the visiting team pictured on the cover. Some of the players I've seen on the covers include Banks, Rose, McCovey and Clemente.

This next item was purchased in a lot of Phillies programs. The seller made no mention of Clemente, but it was pictured in the seller's photos.


1970 Phillies Program w/ Clemente cover...

[Empty77]

Originally Posted by hcv123

Anyone win any cool Clemente stuff in any of the recently closed auctions?

I got the 63 IDL, 65 Macgregor and 72 OPC I/A in Small Traditions. Underbidder on the 52 Winter League composite photo in REA

Congrats! (the IDL and 72 OPC I/A were mine, enjoy...)
Speaking of auctions, I start the bidding at $2000 for that pop 1/1 hand puppet above...

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by Empty77

Congrats! (the IDL and 72 OPC I/A were mine, enjoy...)
Speaking of auctions, I start the bidding at $2000 for that pop 1/1 hand puppet above...

I thought they both went pretty low - especially the OPC. Great additions to my collection. Thanks again. Any other high grade Clementes you want to move, PM me!

[docpatlv]

Originally Posted by Empty77

Congrats! (the IDL and 72 OPC I/A were mine, enjoy...)
Speaking of auctions, I start the bidding at $2000 for that pop 1/1 hand puppet above...

SOLD!!!...Auction has ended, you are the winner. Please keep in mind the buyer's premium has been raised to 50% to help offset shipping costs...lol


Day 130


This next item is the only copy I have seen. Anyone else have a copy?


1972 New York 49th Annual Baseball Dinner (Scorebook # 11)...Bill Gallo artwork

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by docpatlv

SOLD!!!...Auction has ended, you are the winner. Please keep in mind the buyer's premium has been raised to 50% to help offset shipping costs...lol


Day 130


This next item is the only copy I have seen. Anyone else have a copy?

I have one. I've seen 1 or 2 more. Visually awesome item! Tough.

[Empty77]

Originally Posted by hcv123

I thought they both went pretty low - especially the OPC. Great additions to my collection. Thanks again. Any other high grade Clementes you want to move, PM me!

I agree, but I don't mind supporting the independent AHs, since they are useful brokers when I'm the one on the buying side if the have something unique (and besides, I've mostly burned out with trying to bother with eBay selling myself).

And not that it can be controlled in that scenario, but I'm also pleased for them to go to a true collector rather than a random speculator...

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by Empty77

I agree, but I don't mind supporting the independent AHs, since they are useful brokers when I'm the one on the buying side if the have something unique (and besides, I've mostly burned out with trying to bother with eBay selling myself).

And not that it can be controlled in that scenario, but I'm also pleased for them to go to a true collector rather than a random speculator...

Well, I totally respect that and agree that there is a much greater likelihood for them to hit a collector as I doubt many non collectors randomly troll sports auctions the way they do eBay. In all cases - thanks for the great additions to my collection!

[71buc]

Originally Posted by hcv123

I have one. I've seen 1 or 2 more. Visually awesome item! Tough.

I have one as well

[docpatlv]

Day 131


A couple of photos (Sorry for the watermarks)


ca. 1960s Press photo...





1971 UPI Photo...

[Empty77]

Not mine, and it came to my attention only after auction closed the other day, but can anyone comment on this coin item from ebay? The newspaper clipping explains it was a fundraising exercise from '73 aiming for a kids sports complex in Puerto Rico. However, I have never seen it, being as my knowledge is mostly limited to PSA registry items, and this isn't in the list, but given it's from the same era as the Esso coin which is, perhaps this should be too, unless someone also has any insight on the criteria the TPGs use for deciding what they will and won't slab?:

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[docpatlv]

Originally Posted by Empty77

Not mine, and it came to my attention only after auction closed the other day, but can anyone comment on this coin item from ebay? The newspaper clipping explains it was a fundraising exercise from '73 aiming for a kids sports complex in Puerto Rico. However, I have never seen it, being as my knowledge is mostly limited to PSA registry items, and this isn't in the list, but given it's from the same era as the Esso coin which is, perhaps this should be too, unless someone also has any insight on the criteria the TPGs use for deciding what they will and won't slab?:

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Empty,

I have mine listed as a 1970s commemorative coin. I don’t think it’s particularly rare. Not sure about the registry, maybe Howard might know.

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by Empty77

Not mine, and it came to my attention only after auction closed the other day, but can anyone comment on this coin item from ebay? The newspaper clipping explains it was a fundraising exercise from '73 aiming for a kids sports complex in Puerto Rico. However, I have never seen it, being as my knowledge is mostly limited to PSA registry items, and this isn't in the list, but given it's from the same era as the Esso coin which is, perhaps this should be too, unless someone also has any insight on the criteria the TPGs use for deciding what they will and won't slab?:

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I will never try to guess what PSA would or wouldn't do. I have had too many experiences with little rhyme or reason to them with PSA. To my knowledge it has not been graded by PSA to date. They have a general rule that the item must be listed in at least 1 nationally recognized price guide. Not sure that I have seen that coin listed - you?

I too have at least 1 of them. My memory wanes a bit, but I believe I may have seen them made of 2 different metals - 1 silver and 1 not (aluminum maybe?) - I'll keep an eye out next time I dig......

[docpatlv]

Originally Posted by hcv123

I will never try to guess what PSA would or wouldn't do. I have had too many experiences with little rhyme or reason to them with PSA. To my knowledge it has not been graded by PSA to date. They have a general rule that the item must be listed in at least 1 nationally recognized price guide. Not sure that I have seen that coin listed - you?

I too have at least 1 of them. My memory wanes a bit, but I believe I may have seen them made of 2 different metals - 1 silver and 1 not (aluminum maybe?) - I'll keep an eye out next time I dig......

Yes, I forgot to add that mine seems to be made from a different type of metal, not sure what though.




Day 132


1971 Buc Banter...

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by Empty77

Not mine, and it came to my attention only after auction closed the other day, but can anyone comment on this coin item from ebay? The newspaper clipping explains it was a fundraising exercise from '73 aiming for a kids sports complex in Puerto Rico. However, I have never seen it, being as my knowledge is mostly limited to PSA registry items, and this isn't in the list, but given it's from the same era as the Esso coin which is, perhaps this should be too, unless someone also has any insight on the criteria the TPGs use for deciding what they will and won't slab?:

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The pictures of the coins in the newspaper look a bit different to me than the one that was sold. first the outer edge of the coins are completely different and 2 - on the back side of the coin there is something (can't make out what) beneath Clemente's legs on the auctioned coin that is not in the picture from the newspaper.

Anyone else know anything more about these?

[hcv123]

The original art for the 1963 Clemente Jello - included original photographs taken just for the issue. Happens to have Maris and Banks on the same sheet.

[Empty77]

[QUOTE=docpatlv;1775792]Yes, I forgot to add that mine seems to be made from a different type of metal, not sure what though.

and from Howard: I too have at least 1 of them. My memory wanes a bit, but I believe I may have seen them made of 2 different metals - 1 silver and 1 not (aluminum maybe?) - I'll keep an eye out next time I dig......
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So there is also this additional ad that was found, confirming what the other newspaper ad indicated, but in a little more journalistic detail, and easier to read since the res is larger, intimating the future production of a "gold" coin:

coin ad.jpg

As to the points about the difference in appearance, I see what you mean. Perhaps the newspaper ad used a draft prototype of what was envisioned but not actually minted (but then the ad states that at that point the print run was already 600, so why couldn't/wouldn't they have had the real thing to photo?); so maybe the more probable explanation is that there was an early run, but if it was popular and profitable they minted more later and the later ones had these different design characteristics? In that case we should all be on the lookout for a version of the coin that actually exists representing that newspaper ad more closely...

[71buc]

This silver 1971 Latin American player of the year award is one of the items I picked up at the last Hunt auction. I bid on it despite the photographs which revealed heavy tarnish and oxidation to the silver. I landed it fairly cheaply. When it arrived it was barely legible the color was essential black and gray. Which is likely why I obtained it so cheaply. I dipped it in a sodium aluminum bath and the tarnish and much of the oxidation disappeared. I will likely invest in a professional cleaning down the road. Nonetheless I am thrilled to add it to my 1971 Pirate collection. The shape is highly reflective and picks up color in a pretty cool fashion. It also makes it difficult to take a picture of the engraved text. I have posted multiple pictures to display this.

[docpatlv]

[QUOTE=Empty77;1776003]

Originally Posted by docpatlv

Yes, I forgot to add that mine seems to be made from a different type of metal, not sure what though.

and from Howard: I too have at least 1 of them. My memory wanes a bit, but I believe I may have seen them made of 2 different metals - 1 silver and 1 not (aluminum maybe?) - I'll keep an eye out next time I dig......
-------------

So there is also this additional ad that was found, confirming what the other newspaper ad indicated, but in a little more journalistic detail, and easier to read since the res is larger, intimating the future production of a "gold" coin:

Attachment 315681

As to the points about the difference in appearance, I see what you mean. Perhaps the newspaper ad used a draft prototype of what was envisioned but not actually minted (but then the ad states that at that point the print run was already 600, so why couldn't/wouldn't they have had the real thing to photo?); so maybe the more probable explanation is that there was an early run, but if it was popular and profitable they minted more later and the later ones had these different design characteristics? In that case we should all be on the lookout for a version of the coin that actually exists representing that newspaper ad more closely...

Mine definitely appears to be more gold than silver, but I haven't really done any research into the different types.

Great items Howard and Mike!


Day 133


I saw an example of this next item go for big $$$ recently, so I went to look at mine...BUT...it turns out I didn't have one

So I checked on eBay and found one. I was very surprised how much this card sells for in high grades. Mine is raw and not high grade but I'm happy with it.

1971 (thinking I read somewhere that it was actually issued around 1979) Fleer World Series card...

[71buc]

[QUOTE=docpatlv;1776073]

Originally Posted by Empty77

Mine definitely appears to be more gold than silver, but I haven't really done any research into the different types.

Great items Howard and Mike!


Day 133


I saw an example of this next item go for big $$$ recently, so I went to look at mine...BUT...it turns out I didn't have one

So I checked on eBay and found one. I was very surprised how much this card sells for in high grades. Mine is raw and not high grade but I'm happy with it.

1971 (thinking I read somewhere that it was actually issued around 1979) Fleer World Series card...

I think it was perhaps a 1975 issue?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1975-Laughl...kAAOSwMmBVlHDW

[JollyElm]

Man, I just love this thread. I'm old, but was too young at the time to know anything about Roberto Clemente (except, sadly, as a little kid seeing his card in 1973 and knowing he had died months before), so it is really cool seeing all the admiration for him on these pages. Great stuff!!!

[rats60]

[QUOTE=docpatlv;1776073]

Originally Posted by Empty77

Mine definitely appears to be more gold than silver, but I haven't really done any research into the different types.

Great items Howard and Mike!


Day 133


I saw an example of this next item go for big $$$ recently, so I went to look at mine...BUT...it turns out I didn't have one

So I checked on eBay and found one. I was very surprised how much this card sells for in high grades. Mine is raw and not high grade but I'm happy with it.

1971 (thinking I read somewhere that it was actually issued around 1979) Fleer World Series card...

The extension for the 1971 Fleer World Series set was for the years 1971-1977 and released in 1978. The extensions were printed in much smaller quantities with the World Series cards from 1903-1970 for Good Humor (sold by their Ice Cream Trucks). Robert Laughlin sold sets of the cards that were left over through an ad in SCD.

Here is a copy of his ad.

[docpatlv]

[QUOTE=rats60;1776117]

Originally Posted by docpatlv

The extension for the 1971 Fleer World Series set was for the years 1971-1977 and released in 1978. The extensions were printed in much smaller quantities with the World Series cards from 1903-1970 for Good Humor (sold by their Ice Cream Trucks). Robert Laughlin sold sets of the cards that were left over through an ad in SCD.

Here is a copy of his ad.

So 1978 then, thanks for the info rats.

And Darren, glad you’re enjoying the thread!

[David W]

Originally Posted by hcv123

The original art for the 1963 Clemente Jello - included original photographs taken just for the issue. Happens to have Maris and Banks on the same sheet.

That is real nice. Thanks for showing it.

[71buc]

Great information Rats60. Thanks for clearing that up.

[docpatlv]

Day 134


1972 3,000th Hit Poster...

[MCoxon]

[QUOTE=docpatlv;1776133]

Originally Posted by rats60

So 1978 then, thanks for the info rats.

And Darren, glad you’re enjoying the thread!

Cool info about the '71 Fleer. Not sure if retail sales quantities were lower, but the '71 Fleer Pirates/O's card is the most graded of the set by PSA, with 110 (2nd is the 1932 Yankees/Cubs with 72 graded)

It definitely has prices higher than I would have expected given its late production; PSA auction prices show $340+ for PSA 6, up to $1,200 for PSA 9 and $3,300 for PSA 10

EDITED TO ADD: Just saw that all the post-1970 World Series cards definitely are priced higher after a quick search on eBay -- makes sense given that there are a lot fewer overall cards in circulation, given they were printed later in shorter quantity. Also seems more people had the later ones graded (as a percent of the total ones sold), which makes sense since they're rarer overall.

[rats60]

[QUOTE=MCoxon;1776276]

Originally Posted by docpatlv

Cool info about the '71 Fleer. Not sure if retail sales quantities were lower, but the '71 Fleer Pirates/O's card is the most graded of the set by PSA, with 110 (2nd is the 1932 Yankees/Cubs with 72 graded)

It definitely has prices higher than I would have expected given its late production; PSA auction prices show $340+ for PSA 6, up to $1,200 for PSA 9 and $3,300 for PSA 10

EDITED TO ADD: Just saw that all the post-1970 World Series cards definitely are priced higher after a quick search on eBay -- makes sense given that there are a lot fewer overall cards in circulation, given they were printed later in shorter quantity. Also seems more people had the later ones graded (as a percent of the total ones sold), which makes sense since they're rarer overall.

The 1971 set had World Series cards from 1903-1970. The 1978 set had World Series cards from 1903-1977. There are no double printed cards in the set that I know of, so 1971-1977 would be available in much smaller quantities. The 1978 cards were also only available through Good Humor, where the 1971 set was available through normal Fleer channels.

[MCoxon]

[QUOTE=rats60;1776305]

Originally Posted by MCoxon

The 1971 set had World Series cards from 1903-1970. The 1978 set had World Series cards from 1903-1977. There are no double printed cards in the set that I know of, so 1971-1977 would be available in much smaller quantities. The 1978 cards were also only available through Good Humor, where the 1971 set was available through normal Fleer channels.

Very cool, makes sense. thanks a ton.

[docpatlv]

Day 135


1962 & 1963 Salada Coins...

[docpatlv]

Day 136


Yesterday, I posted the 1962 Salada coin. I had wanted this next item for a long time but just never seemed to pick one up. I found one last year on eBay.


1962 Salada coins Pirates team set in shield...

[MCoxon]

[QUOTE=MCoxon;1776393]

Originally Posted by rats60

Very cool, makes sense. thanks a ton.

Got inspired - picked this up

love this thread, though it might be making me buy more clementes...! (which is a good thing, I guess)

[docpatlv]

[QUOTE=MCoxon;1777127]

Originally Posted by MCoxon

Got inspired - picked this up

love this thread, though it might be making me buy more clementes...! (which is a good thing, I guess)

Nice Mike. That card seems to bring good prices in higher grade. Nice pickup!!!

[docpatlv]

Day 137


Rare ca. 1960s Vitalis promo photo. This is the only copy I have seen.

[71buc]

Awesome that one is new to me.

[Mark70Z]

Some really nice items! Always thought those Salada shields were cool and the Clemente Vitalas photo is NICE! Of course I’m glad someone finally posted an Orioles card as well 😳. Yes; the O’s should have won that Series (also ‘79...).

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by Mark70Z

Some really nice items! Always thought those Salada shields were cool and the Clemente Vitalas photo is NICE! Of course I’m glad someone finally posted an Orioles card as well 😳. Yes; the O’s should have won that Series (also ‘79...).

Your O's got Blass-sted.

[docpatlv]

Day 138


I mentioned in an earlier post that I don't collect a lot of newer Clemente items, but I do collect patches with Roberto if I like the way they look. Although the next items are relatively new, they were produced in very limited quantities and aren't offered too often.


2017 Boy Scouts National Jamboree patches...

[Mark70Z]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Your O's got Blass-sted.

😳

It’s funny (not ha ha funny...) how I don’t hate the Pirates for winning the WS (even though the O’s should have won!), but STILL hate the Mets!!

Doc... those patches creep me out a tad bit 😎

[docpatlv]

Originally Posted by Mark70Z

😳

It’s funny (not ha ha funny...) how I don’t hate the Pirates for winning the WS (even though the O’s should have won!), but STILL hate the Mets!!

Doc... those patches creep me out a tad bit 😎

Lol Mark,

I swear they don't look as creepy in person *goes to check*.......welllllll, yes they do, but only a little bit.

[71buc]

Amateur snap shot of Clemente's 3000th hit.

[docpatlv]

Originally Posted by 71buc

Amateur snap shot of Clemente's 3000th hit.

That's an awesome photo Mike!


Day 139


1984 Pittsburgh Pirates pocket schedule...

[FourStrikes]

Originally Posted by 71buc

This silver 1971 Latin American player of the year award is one of the items I picked up at the last Hunt auction. I bid on it despite the photographs which revealed heavy tarnish and oxidation to the silver. I landed it fairly cheaply. When it arrived it was barely legible the color was essential black and gray. Which is likely why I obtained it so cheaply. I dipped it in a sodium aluminum bath and the tarnish and much of the oxidation disappeared. I will likely invest in a professional cleaning down the road. Nonetheless I am thrilled to add it to my 1971 Pirate collection. The shape is highly reflective and picks up color in a pretty cool fashion. It also makes it difficult to take a picture of the engraved text. I have posted multiple pictures to display this.

obviously forever Altered ! disgusting! (j/k - beautiful piece - congrats!

[71buc]

Originally Posted by FourStrikes

obviously forever Altered ! disgusting! (j/k - beautiful piece - congrats!

Thanks, I have been torn about restoration. I found a Seattle based silversmith who does amazing work. He is currently working on a Jabbar trophy. I decided that I wanted the platter to look like it did when it was given to Clemente. The condition right now is acceptable but it could be much more attractive. Right now it is reflective but due to oxidation and tarnish, caused by what I assume was humidity the text doesn't stand out like it should. I guess In the end its my mistake to make. I don't think cleaning or restoring effects it value or meaning to my collection.

[docpatlv]

Day 140


1962 Topps regular issue, leader and team cards...

[Empty77]

The '62 regular issue brings back memories for me. It was the first real Clemente I ever acquired (not counting the '87 Kmart card, etc).

Late '80s, begged mom to drive 45 min across town to a card shop I learned existed, the only one around and I had never been to one before. It was called "collector's corner" (which at the time seemed unique and remarkably clever [it was actually on a street corner]).

Was probably going for Griffeys, not Clemente, which I think I figured wasn't possible anymore, but then here was this magical place that had all sorts of stuff, not just new stuff, but old stuff too, which prior I just hadn't imagined, only experiencing wax packs from the supermarket aisle.

Then there in a top loader under the glass beside Mays' and Mantles, etc., was a '62 T Clemente (even then the wood grain border made it easy to remember which year was which from price guide pics). The sticker price was $8, and as I recall it had fairly rounded corners and so in hindsight was fair to moderately overpriced, but to me seemed like such a great find (I was not in Pittsburgh at the time and was hours from a major metro area with a serious sports culture).

Long story short, it took several years of saving up b-day money and summer neighborhood jobs to complete a basic issue run, but I did. I don't really recall which one I picked up second or beyond, but I'll always remember that the '62 came first.