Double X (Foxx) and Mantle Opinions

[jbhofmann]

Would really appreciate opinions on these...I'm more skeptical on Mantle but I'm such an amateur compared to many here.




Thanks in advance,
Joel

[shelly]

I am sort of torn on the Mantle I dont like the second m being so high up from the first. I dont like the slant on the cross of the t. It also looks sloppy. I would say no. On this one I could be wrong. I just would stay away.

[jbhofmann]

Originally Posted by shelly

I am sort of torn on the Mantle I dont like the second m being so high up from the first. I dont like the slant on the cross of the t. It also looks sloppy. I would say no. On this one I could be wrong. I just would stay away.

Appreciate the opinion Shelly. So I guess the trademark emoticon should be for this one.

Thanks!

[Klrdds]

I agree with Shelly on Mantle . I would stay away from this, plus there are better examples of his available.
The Foxx looks ok to me. The big thing for Foxx is that he signed with many variations on the "J", and that can be an authentication nightmare. All else looks ok to me.

[theshleps]

Foxx looks good to me but if it came from the same book as the Mantle beware I guess

[Duluth Eskimo]

Good and good

[Mr. Zipper]

The Mantle sure is puzzling.

It has an unusual slant, which is especially evident in the "ckey." Also, spacing is very stretched out in Mantle. Look at the huge gap between the M and A. Overall, it has an almost "feminine" look.

On the plus side, it was signed with good speed and the Ms look good. If it's a fake, it's a fairly deceptive one.

I can't say definitively either way, but I'd have doubts about it.

[Runscott]

The Mantle looks bad.

Going letter-by-letter isn't generally a great idea, but if an autograph just looks 'off', such a method sometimes yields an obviously bad letter.

To me, this one is an obvious stinker, but my ego is small enough that I don't mind being proven wrong.

[Runscott]

It is too well done

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[jbhofmann]

I went ahead and bought this piece for the following reasons:
a) It fits my purpose--custom cut card that I'll build...cheaper, smallish and I'm not destroying something really cool
b) If it was forged, its a style I have never seen before and it just seems highly unlikely that someone that "skilled" wouldn't have created more

It's not the greatest but basically the positives outweighed the negatives.

[shelly]

Originally Posted by jbhofmann

I went ahead and bought this piece for the following reasons:
a) It fits my purpose--custom cut card that I'll build...cheaper, smallish and I'm not destroying something really cool
b) If it was forged, its a style I have never seen before and it just seems highly unlikely that someone that "skilled" wouldn't have created more

It's not the greatest but basically the positives outweighed the negatives.

If you like it that is all that counts.

[jbhofmann]

Originally Posted by shelly

If you like it that is all that counts.

I'll post high res scans when it's in hand.


If I'm dumb, I'm dumb.

[Runscott]

Joel,

Another good hint that something is a forgery: if you are able to purchase it for 50-70% of what a similar item would normally go for.

[ATP]

Originally Posted by jbhofmann

I went ahead and bought this piece for the following reasons:
a) It fits my purpose--custom cut card that I'll build...cheaper, smallish and I'm not destroying something really cool
b) If it was forged, its a style I have never seen before and it just seems highly unlikely that someone that "skilled" wouldn't have created more

It's not the greatest but basically the positives outweighed the negatives.

Since this thread has had such lively discussion about the Mantle specifically, can you share with us any other details on it, or where it originates, what dealer had it, private party, auction, etc? Autographs can usually stand on their own, and should, but background when available can often make the puzzle easier to complete.

[ATP]

Originally Posted by ATP

Since this thread has had such lively discussion about the Mantle specifically, can you share with us any other details on it, or where it originates, what dealer had it, private party, auction, etc? Autographs can usually stand on their own, and should, but background when available can often make the puzzle easier to complete.

FWIW, I saw the person that sold the Mantle and Foxx that the OP was asking about. I do not know him personally, but he sells a lot of raw autographs, and I have bid on quite a few myself this year from memory...a few Ruth's, lajoie, etc. every time I bid I scanned his other raw autographs and they always looked good to me. He sells some authenticated but mostly not, and good quality raw stuff too. I would be confident buying from him in general, from what I have seen in the past.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by ATP

FWIW, I saw the person that sold the Mantle and Foxx that the OP was asking about. I do not know him personally, but he sells a lot of raw autographs, and I have bid on quite a few myself this year from memory...a few Ruth's, lajoie, etc. every time I bid I scanned his other raw autographs and they always looked good to me. He sells some authenticated but mostly not, and good quality raw stuff too. I would be confident buying from him in general, from what I have seen in the past.

Please post or email his Ruth examples.

[Runscott]

Jeff - I am not sure anymore what a JSA letter means.

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[Runscott]

You mentioned that the guy sells Ruths. I figured a look at his Ruths would clear up pretty quickly what we are dealing with, and it has.

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[w7imel]

Im a newbie and I do love how all disscussions turn to ruth...it does make for a fun forum from night in to night out!...haha

[Runscott]

Jeff, I wouldn't worry too much about it. There is some frustration because someone is selling forged Ruths and likely screwed Joel on that Mantle. All of this is occurring in an environment where the knowledge is present abd it's right in your face. If you think YOU want to leave, how do you think someone like Shelly would geel? He has nothing to gain by posting here, nor do I, as we aren't concerned about buying a fake Mantle or Ruth. We are simply sharing knowlede. If all you need is a JSA letter, then you are golden.

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[Runscott]

Sorry about spelling - on phone

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