baseball playoffs

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

They dont matter. Dodgers won period..and game was never close. You are biased. Especially when you look at this years playoffs he had one of the top 3 starts this year thus far. Times have changed. Pitching in the playoffs is a whole different animal now then even 10 years ago. Wait till series is over..but silly to comment when Dodgers are winning his starts, at least wait till comment if his team is losing. The dodgers care about wins not era. To say you dont pitch differently when your team is up 7 versus 0 is silly as well.

You can win world series MVP if you go 6.1 innings with 4 runs earned and win 3 starts. Heck Livan Hernandez won World Series MVP with a 5.27 era and a 1.829 whip with just 2 W's. Team wins matter obviously..and Kershaw's team won. Plus its not like he gave up 7 runs etc...

A- they won because of their offense (and Justin Turner is obviously their MVP so far after one game)

B- Home runs are bad, the three things a pitcher can directly control are K's, BB's and home runs (which is why FIP is more predictive of future success than ERA) so, maybe you could make the argument that Roberts should not have brought him out for the 7th, but to try and say he pitched well is a false narrative

C- people are smarter about what matters in baseball now,stuff like pitcher wins aren't considered important any more so Livan wouldn't win MVP in 2017

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

A- they won because of their offense (and Justin Turner is obviously their MVP so far after one game)

B- Home runs are bad, the three things a pitcher can directly control are K's, BB's and home runs (which is why FIP is more predictive of future success than ERA) so, maybe you could make the argument that Roberts should not have brought him out for the 7th, but to try and say he pitched well is a false narrative

C- people are smarter about what matters in baseball now,stuff like pitcher wins aren't considered important any more so Livan wouldn't win MVP in 2017

Right,,he could of been tired gong into the 7th...if he just goes 6 innings and score was 6-4 maybe he doesnt even come out for the 7th.....its not the same thing to give up 2 runs when up 5 versus only up 2 on the late innings.

Justin turner is mvp right now but series is not over...game 2 wasnt great for turner...so again like i said kershaw is top 3 still mvp wise. YOu can also say the Dodgers are winning because the other teams staters are still pitching worse than kershaw...arizona has a more potent offense as well

and for C- you say people are smarter about what matters in baseball now, well holding a lead is more important than era. We can all argue about 'what matters' but there isnt a clear line. Livan still wins MVP as well. Plus season isnt over for Kershaw yet....need to wait for year to end to judge...but if he wins every start...i not sure how that hurts his legacy even if era is 5 if hes a top starting pitcher in all of the playoffs...again people are smarter about what matters in baseball now. starting pitching in the playoffs is a different standard than regular season....if you disagree than its not so easy to say 'people are smarter about what matters in baseball now" I value helping your team win.. There are about 90 % of the starters in this years playoffs that could of lost the game that kershaw won....goin g6 innings and getting a large lead is worth a lot.....again its only 1 game....still more time to decide.

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

There are about 90 % of the starters in this years playoffs that could of lost the game that kershaw won....goin g6 innings and getting a large lead is worth a lot.....again its only 1 game....still more time to decide.

This is nonsensical rationalization.


Giving pitchers credit because they only gave up *insert more than 4 runs here* and won a game based on "preserving the lead" is silly, it's folly. Good pitching is good pitching. If a pitcher goes 6 and gives up 8 REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME, that was a bad start. No pitcher with multiple games that bad should win any individual awards for the postseason. Bad starts are bad starts, trying to make excuses for them based on the score doesn't work as an argument.



and the idea that Livan Hernandez won a world series MVP with this stat line:

13.2 inn pitched, 5.27 ERA, 7 K's, 10 BB's, 15 hits and 3 HR's allowed in 2 starts (where his teams won 7-4 and 8-7) is hilariously awful.Like, whoever voted for him was bad and they should feel bad.

[Peter_Spaeth]

How well his own team hit has nothing at all to do with how well a pitcher pitched. This is entirely obvious.

[irv]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

Our depth is deeper than you're aware of. The Indians are the deepest team in baseball, and it's a shame we can't carry 30-35.

First of all, EE is reportedly day-to-day. Finish off the Yankees today, and you can just let him heal. Second of all, his replacement is All-Star Michael Brantley at DH. You pick your poison there. You lose a power bat, but you add a .300+ bat. Think about this. The Indians lineup with EE is Lindor, Kipnis, JRam, EE, Bruce, Slamtana, LF/Gomes/Perez, Gomes/Perez/LF, Urshella. Now you plug and play Brantley in there. Regardless, you still have to get through 6 hitters before you face a lesser bat, and even Austin Jackson is batting around .300 and has hit in that 7 hole, so that would mean 7 formidable hitters before a lesser bat. Plus, Gomes hit the game winner on Friday.

Good to hear!

Hopefully they finish off the Yankees tonight!

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by irv

Good to hear!

Hopefully they finish off the Yankees tonight!

You and me both my friend!

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

How well his own team hit has nothing at all to do with how well a pitcher pitched. This is entirely obvious.

Yes it does. Whenever someone says something is obvious or 'clearly' usually that means it is not in my humble experience...

two more starting pitchers tonight went about 2 innings...

[irv]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

You and me both my friend!

@#$%^&* Judge! That was a 2 run H/R if any other right fielder was playing there!

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by irv

@#$%^&* Judge! That was a 2 run H/R if any other right fielder was playing there!

We have just missed 2 HRs tonight. AJax was a degree off in his launch angle (warning track) and then Frankie was robbed.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Yes it does. Whenever someone says something is obvious or 'clearly' usually that means it is not in my humble experience...

two more starting pitchers tonight went about 2 innings...

Hoping for a rainout tomorrow and Sale on Tuesday.

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Yes it does. Whenever someone says something is obvious or 'clearly' usually that means it is not in my humble experience...

two more starting pitchers tonight went about 2 innings...

this is more babbling nonsense.



I mean, the words are all english, but the order they in is hilariously wrong and silly. Like , do you even baseball bro?

[rats60]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Right,,he could of been tired gong into the 7th...if he just goes 6 innings and score was 6-4 maybe he doesnt even come out for the 7th.....its not the same thing to give up 2 runs when up 5 versus only up 2 on the late innings.

Justin turner is mvp right now but series is not over...game 2 wasnt great for turner...so again like i said kershaw is top 3 still mvp wise. YOu can also say the Dodgers are winning because the other teams staters are still pitching worse than kershaw...arizona has a more potent offense as well

and for C- you say people are smarter about what matters in baseball now, well holding a lead is more important than era. We can all argue about 'what matters' but there isnt a clear line. Livan still wins MVP as well. Plus season isnt over for Kershaw yet....need to wait for year to end to judge...but if he wins every start...i not sure how that hurts his legacy even if era is 5 if hes a top starting pitcher in all of the playoffs...again people are smarter about what matters in baseball now. starting pitching in the playoffs is a different standard than regular season....if you disagree than its not so easy to say 'people are smarter about what matters in baseball now" I value helping your team win.. There are about 90 % of the starters in this years playoffs that could of lost the game that kershaw won....goin g6 innings and getting a large lead is worth a lot.....again its only 1 game....still more time to decide.

If he wins every game and has an ERA over 5, he will still have the worst ERA for any pitcher in history with that many innings pitched. He will still be one of the worst postseason pitchers ever. He will still be a choker. Will it keep him put of the HOF? No. Will he ever be in the discussion of best pitchers of all time? Absolutely not, no matter how good his regular season stats are.

[packs]

I don't think anyone needs more time to decide if Kershaw is a good postseason pitcher. He has proven himself not to be. He's even worse in the NLCS than he is in the NLDS. I can't imagine he'd be better in the Series. When you could theoretically have Kershaw throw 3 games in a 7 game series and you've still never managed to win one, that tells you all you need to know.

[KMayUSA6060]

Nervous for tonight. Nervous for tonight. Nervous for tonight. Nervous for tonight. Nervous for tonight. Nervous for tonight. Nervous for tonight. Nervous for tonight. Nervous for tonight. Nervous for tonight.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

Nervous for tonight. Nervous for tonight. Nervous for tonight. Nervous for tonight. Nervous for tonight. Nervous for tonight. Nervous for tonight. Nervous for tonight. Nervous for tonight. Nervous for tonight.

Take 10 sedatives and call me in the morning.

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Take 10 sedatives and call me in the morning.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't think anyone needs more time to decide if Kershaw is a good postseason pitcher. He has proven himself not to be. He's even worse in the NLCS than he is in the NLDS. I can't imagine he'd be better in the Series. When you could theoretically have Kershaw throw 3 games in a 7 game series and you've still never managed to win one, that tells you all you need to know.

right but if he wins 3 of 7 games you cant deny that he came through and criticism that post season performance, if that happens would be unwarranted even if his era was 4.8 for those starts etc..

anyway we will see....last year he was better at this point of the playoffs but he was involved in 3 games i believe..not just 1 at that stage..

In the games on 10/11/17 only one starter went more than 6.1 innings which is what kershaw did in his one start which people criticize ....


Zero surprise the Yankess are in the ALCS

[conor912]

I can't believe NY pulled that series out. If the Cubs lose tomorrow, then I officially don't care about the rest of the post season.

[irv]

I went to bed early last night and was hoping for a different outcome when I woke this morning. The indians were making a comeback 3-2 and I was really hoping to read this morning they pulled it off.

Wasn't meant to be I guess, which sucks, as I was really hoping the Indians were going all the way!