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Old 07-16-2018, 11:45 PM
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I'm willing to help.

It's not Joe Jackson and it's not Honus Wagner.
Help wanted. If you scroll down through the thread Iíve attached three Google docs that I have been working on. Please feel free to skim through them and share any input you might have
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Old 07-16-2018, 11:47 PM
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Wow, I was a dick last night. No way to welcome a new member. My apologies.
I definitely introduced myself to the forum in a very very abrasive manner LOL. No apologies necessary Leon offered to post photos and help me and I accepted that help. My dadĎs collection is super meaningful to me and Iím not looking to benefit financially or to gain attention from it. I truly want to figure out who the people are in the photographs are
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Old 07-16-2018, 11:50 PM
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I would agree with David that this is the Polytechnic Institute from New York City. The photographic studio is the clue. This photo was done at one of several photo studios owned by Edward C. Dana in Manhattan. His first studio was in Brooklyn. In the 1870's and 1880's he opened 3 in Manhattan - 14th St. and 6th Ave., 872 Broadway and 28th and Broadway. He later opened a second Brooklyn location. His portrait galleries in Manhattan were quite busy as he produced images of many of the Broadway stars of the day. It is highly unlikely that he or any of his assistants would have travelled the approximately 100 miles to Polk Township, PA to photograph a small school team. Gilbert Polytechnic would probably have used a studio in Stroudsburg or Easton which were much closer.
Michael, your response is beyond refreshing. I truly appreciate any feedback especially feedback supported by research. I too researched Dana, Brooklyn and New York. I felt the same way about the likeliness of one traveling all the way there or vice versa for a photograph. However when I furthered my research and looked into Polytechnic Institute of New York or Brooklyn it leads me to an entire rundown of the history of those colleges and how they changed their names etc. please look at my 3 Google Dr. documents. I would love to hear more from you.

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Old 07-16-2018, 11:53 PM
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I think wikipedia is an okay start for research, but obviously has to be double checked with other sources.

A problem I have with wikipedia is that their 'concept' articles (cognitive psychology, quantum mechanics, Hinduism philosophy, whatever) are not well written and can make the subject more complicated and convoluted than necessary. The articles should be introductory, but they sometimes needlessly throw in everything but the kitchen sink. There are someties far better, and more concise, articles on the web. That may be due to a wikipedia article being written by multiple authors.

That was my aside commentary.
I do use Wikipedia. However I mostly use Wikipedia in order to scroll down to the bottom to the works cited. I like to go there and find the source of information. I agree with your opinion of the almost rambling state of some of the articles on Wikipedia
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Old 07-17-2018, 11:57 AM
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I definitely introduced myself to the forum in a very very abrasive manner LOL. No apologies necessary Leon offered to post photos and help me and I accepted that help. My dad‘s collection is super meaningful to me and I’m not looking to benefit financially or to gain attention from it. I truly want to figure out who the people are in the photographs are
Welcome to the board. As I said, with or without famous people, it's a nice college baseball photo. Early baseball photos do not have to have famous people in the to have value. If I was an NYU or Polytechnic alum, I'd scoop that one up.

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Old 07-17-2018, 06:23 PM
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Welcome to the board. As I said, with or without famous people, it's a nice college baseball photo. Early baseball photos do not have to have famous people in the to have value. If I was an NYU or Polytechnic alum, I'd scoop that one up.
The photo cabinet is an amazing condition. and itís about to go up on the wall in my new house LOL. However if there is someone out there who is interested and scooping it up feel free to let me however if there is someone out there who is interested scooping it up feel free to let me know!

I do notice that the guy in the middle looks a lot like Walter Johnson in his early T206 cards
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I think the easiest way to go about your research is to attack it from the player end instead of the photo end. Tons have been written about both players in question yet I have never seen anything about either of them playing for any Polytechnic. That would be enough for me as opposed to hope outweighing evidence and convincing myself that I have new information about two of the most researched baseball players ever.
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Old 07-17-2018, 07:21 PM
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I wouldnít say it was hope pinpointing those people I was just following my dads notes from 1980 something. Iíve tried researching Polytechnic Institute but it led me to a long history of the college and how the names were changing and I canít pinpoint what year it would be. Based on the photographs in the photo Iím guessing really late 19th century/ early 1900s?
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Old 07-19-2018, 10:15 PM
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https://broadway.cas.sc.edu/content/edward-c-dana


To the reply for Poly institute only being in New York: here is a cited quote from the above site about photographers from the late 19th century :

Dana was particularly fortunate in securing the services of George A. Connor as his head printer. Dana collaborated with Connor in experimenting with printing processes, inventing a form of carbonette negative (collodion paper squeezed onto ground glass) and then Ivorette print, a brilliantly clear portrait printed on half-gloss cream cards. The broad notice Dana received from his placements in newspapers and magazines enabled him to undertake expansion in the 1890s. He opened branches in Pittsburgh and Brooklyn (run by operator George P. Roberts) and was in the midst of another relocation of his headquarters up Broadway when he died at age 44. His chief assistant at the time of his death was J.E. Giffin.
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Old 07-19-2018, 10:46 PM
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I would agree with David that this is the Polytechnic Institute from New York City. The photographic studio is the clue. This photo was done at one of several photo studios owned by Edward C. Dana in Manhattan. His first studio was in Brooklyn. In the 1870's and 1880's he opened 3 in Manhattan - 14th St. and 6th Ave., 872 Broadway and 28th and Broadway. He later opened a second Brooklyn location. His portrait galleries in Manhattan were quite busy as he produced images of many of the Broadway stars of the day. It is highly unlikely that he or any of his assistants would have travelled the approximately 100 miles to Polk Township, PA to photograph a small school team. Gilbert Polytechnic would probably have used a studio in Stroudsburg or Easton which were much closer.
According to this site and several others Dana also open studios in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania

http://historiccamera.com/cgi-bin/li...t&app_id=2691&


The photographic entrepreneur with the Midas touch added another gallery to his growing empire at 872 Broadway. Periodical photographic reproductions inspired Mr. Dana to transition from publicly peddling his images to selling them to editors, which was not only lucrative but also gave his portraits much greater public exposure than those of his contemporaries. With a booming business, Mr. Dana redirected his attention to process experimentation, collaborating with printer George A. Connor on half-tone printing. Together, they developed several printing processes including a variation of a carbonette negative (collodion paper on ground glass) and ivorette clear portrait printing on glossy cards. By the mid-1890s, Mr. Dana was busily opening another Broadway studio (on the corner of 28th Street) and a gallery in Pittsburgh, PA. He was also preparing to marry Ada B. Sherman when he was diagnosed with terminal cancer in October of 1896. Described vaguely as "kidney trouble," Mr. Dana attempted to continue with his active lifestyle until his rapidly deteriorating physical condition forced him to accept the inevitable. He married Miss Sherman on Christmas Day 1896, and two months later, 44-year-old E. C. Dana died at his New York home with his bride at his bedside. With the foresight of appointing several capable managers, Mr. Dana's studios continued operating successfully for several years after the death of their founder.
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