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Old 09-30-2016, 03:27 PM
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Default What are you top 5 20th century boxing cards?

Hey everybody.... I have been thinking about this for awhile and really cannot get past the top 2 for me.

My top card is the T226 (Red Sun) Jack Johnson and my #2 is the Leaf Rocky Graziano....

What do you guys think? What other cards would you put on the list (excepting grade premiums)...
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Old 09-30-2016, 07:27 PM
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Need a bit more definition as to the question.

Top 5 most expensive?

Top 5 most important for a collection?

Top 5 rarities?

This is pretty much the most expensive list:

1948 Leaf Graziano is far and away the most costly
E125 Johnson is probably #2
T226 Johnson is probably #3
T229 Kopec Johnson I'd rank just below T226

For the final spot I could see any of these:

T229 Pet Johnson
T220 Silver Border Jas. J. Corbett or Mike Donovan
1938 NX5 American Sweets Joe Louis

They rarely come to market, so the issue is really academic until we get a few on the ol' auction block.

Now, if we go with essential for a collection, I'd argue these:

T218 Jack Johnson side view: the key card to the most widely collected T set

1951 Ringside Marciano: the key RC in Topps' only boxing issue

1960 Hemmett Cassius Clay: IMO the RC of the most important boxer of the latter half of the century.

1935 Pattriouex Joe Louis: The RC of the most important boxer of the first half of the century

1997 Brown's Mayweather or 1999 World Boxing Pacquiao or 1986 Panini Tyson: the most important regular issue cards made in the last 30+ years.

But if you are looking for rarity, there are just a ton of possibilities, from 1 or two known example type cards to SPs from major sets. I honestly don't know where even to begin such a list. 1948 Tabay Joe Louis, issued for a month in Spain? 1931 Bigott? Maybe a nice Trinidad y Hnos. Dempsey premium? Or a Lucky Heart Louis? How about the 1904 Sporting Life Jeffries-Munroe cabinet card? 1910 New England Gum Co. Jeffries and Johnson flip card? I don't have an answer...

Perhaps a better frame on the question is to ask which 5 cards you would most want to own if you could not sell them, making value irrelevant. My list of favorite cards to own would be these:





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I don't collect 20th century. But think Adams list is pretty accurate. Although the T220 Silver Border Corbett and Donavan makes me feel like we are collecting refractors. Just not my preference.

Al, didn't know you had the Graziano Leaf. Your boxing collection is top notch.
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Nothing shiny there, Aaron. Just a set that quite a few people actively collect with two notorious short prints. I quit and sold off mine when I realized I wasn't willing to chase the Corbett; there were so many other cards I'd rather own.

BTW I consigned a nice cluster of American Sweets cards to LOTG for the fall boxing auction. I kept Louis: I'm not crazy after all.
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Default Great list Adam....

I think that your criteria is the right one... what would you rather own if you could not sell them. I would probably drop the Leaf, then (which I do not own and probably won't). The reason why I like the T226 is the photographic image, the green borders and the Red Sun back. It is just one of the most eye appealing cards that I own. I think that the Kopec and the Pet Johnsons are good choices as well.

What do you guys think of the Romeo y Julieta Johnson and Dempsey cards. Should they be considered?
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I'd think a t9 would have to be on the list Johnson or attel.
1956 adventure schmelling a possibility due to the story behind it?
All great cards mentioned.
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I think another candidate to add to the list is T227 Johnson. Great image and the large format makes it all the more appealing.
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Yeah that T218 side view Johnson is such a remarkable card. It's a gorgeous card (as opposed to some of his other high value cards), it's from Johnson's prime, and you can always find one for cheap.

I don't know about most iconic or most valuable but that card is a gem. There's plenty of other cards I'd be willing to throw into consideration for the top five from that set (Langford, Jeannette, Nelson).

I also really love the T220 Peter Jackson card. It's a retrospective card but still fantastic in appearance and bio.

The 1908 Ogden's Joe Gans card, which is may be his first card is a really cool card. Speaking of Ogden's, I'll throw in the 1902 Series A "Jem" Jefferies card.

Additionally I think the 1908 Ogden's Tommy Burns card is great as it talks about him being world champ on the back. By the next year's set, there would be an odd pictured Jack Johnson card extolling his virtues. It's an interesting snapshot of boxing history. I'm not sure how many Burns cards there are which mention him as the current champ. Ah, enjoy it while it lasts Tommy.

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I think that your criteria is the right one... what would you rather own if you could not sell them. I would probably drop the Leaf, then (which I do not own and probably won't). The reason why I like the T226 is the photographic image, the green borders and the Red Sun back. It is just one of the most eye appealing cards that I own. I think that the Kopec and the Pet Johnsons are good choices as well.

What do you guys think of the Romeo y Julieta Johnson and Dempsey cards. Should they be considered?
I had a chance to buy a Graziano once but I don't really like the card itself, don't think much of Graziano (not an elite level fighter), and didn't want to spend the cheddar on it.

The R y J Johnson is not an attractive card, IMO:



Kind of a crappy picture in a not so pretty format. It is rare as hell and very valuable, but doesn't do it for me, which is why I sold mine when the chance presented itself. He has a lot of nicer looking cards.

The Dempseys (there are 2 different poses and at least three distinct cards known) are better looking than the Johnson but still not that great looking.



Someone has been trying to sell a Dempsey on eBay for a while. Price has been reduced from $4500 to $1800 as of this morning, so go get it!

As for T9s and T227, I thought long and hard about adding either to my list but came back again to the T218 as a favorite card. I think it just looks better. T218 has some other gems in it. I also really like Stan:



Here's another card I absolutely love from a design standpoint:

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I had a chance to buy a Graziano once but I don't really like the card itself, don't think much of Graziano (not an elite level fighter), and didn't want to spend the cheddar on it.

The R y J Johnson is not an attractive card, IMO:



Kind of a crappy picture in a not so pretty format. It is rare as hell and very valuable, but doesn't do it for me, which is why I sold mine when the chance presented itself. He has a lot of nicer looking cards.

The Dempseys (there are 2 different poses and at least three distinct cards known) are better looking than the Johnson but still not that great looking.



Someone has been trying to sell a Dempsey on eBay for a while. Price has been reduced from $4500 to $1800 as of this morning, so go get it!

As for T9s and T227, I thought long and hard about adding either to my list but came back again to the T218 as a favorite card. I think it just looks better. T218 has some other gems in it. I also really like Stan:



Here's another card I absolutely love from a design standpoint:

I actually like the dempsey one... I have a couple of the Jack Johnson Romeo y Julieta cards... I think that the $1800 for the dempsey is too much....
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