Come on Man!

[MBMiller25]

I had my eye on this card when it came up. I really want to add this card down the road. I thought I might make a run after this until I looked at the bid activity. Check out the underbidder. I am sure he will be at work some more on this card before this auction is over as well. Seriously! As the ESPN guys say every Monday night. "COME ON MAN"!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=350986599121

[MattyC]

It's grotesque. Falls under the same rubric as the thread about bid retractions, in its own way.

It is happening to a card I want as well.

All I can say, is treat all the shenanigans like a reserve and snipe what you'd pay in a Best Offer or card show scenario. And if you win, you win. It's the only way I look at it, and clears out the headache, simplifies it all. I set a snipe and hardly ever look at that nonsense in the bidding histories anymore.

Just my two cents, but this way has worked for me. I set a snipe and wait to see if my offer would win it.

[SMPEP]

Exactly Matt!

I could care less how much shill bidding goes on in any auction I'm bidding in. I know what I will pay. I bid that amount. Not a dollar more, not a dollar less.

If I get it at less than my maximum bid ... great I get what I think is a bargain (obviously though, everyone else thinks I'm an idiot who paid too much - or else they would have bid more themselves!).

If I get it at my maximum bid ... great ... I get the item.

If it goes over my maximum (which frankly almost every auction does - especailly those for PSA 10 1974 Art Shell's!) ... good luck to the new owner (if there is one).

As a result of this philosophy ... I've thrown away every price guide ... and ignore all "market research" ... as they are essentially meaningless opinions from others and I trust my own opinion as much as theirs. (And if I'm bidding on something based on what someone else has told me it's worth ... then I'm in BIG TROUBLE. If I don't know what it's worth, I shouldn't be bidding in the first place!)

Cheers,
Patrick

[MattyC]

Originally Posted by SMPEP

Exactly Matt!

I could care less how much shill bidding goes on in any auction I'm bidding in. I know what I will pay. I bid that amount. Not a dollar more, not a dollar less.

If I get it at less than my maximum bid ... great I get what I think is a bargain (obviously though, everyone else thinks I'm an idiot who paid too much - or else they would have bid more themselves!).

If I get it at my maximum bid ... great ... I get the item.

If it goes over my maximum (which frankly almost every auction does - especailly those for PSA 10 1974 Art Shell's!) ... good luck to the new owner (if there is one).

As a result of this philosophy ... I've thrown away every price guide ... and ignore all "market research" ... as they are essentially meaningless opinions from others and I trust my own opinion as much as theirs. (And if I'm bidding on something based on what someone else has told me it's worth ... then I'm in BIG TROUBLE. If I don't know what it's worth, I shouldn't be bidding in the first place!)

Cheers,
Patrick

Right on, Patrick! Except when you wrote:

"obviously though, everyone else thinks I'm an idiot who paid too much - or else they would have bid more themselves!"

I'd say they might think you paid too much FOR A FEW SECONDS, until they realize how much they wanted it and then wish they upped their bid!

Which makes you the one who came out on top!

[bobbyw8469]

I used to have this card Matt!! Sold it for around $2,500. I wish I still had it, if this is the actual true going rate now!

[vintage954]

All the shill bidding and bull crap takes the fun out of it. That's why I stay away from PWCC and probstien

[ALR-bishop]

Agree with Matt and Patrick. Reserve, minimum bids or shills, if seller has a minimum price, I get that. The ethics certainly are different, but as a practical matter, snipes make it irrelevant to me

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I used to have this card Matt!! Sold it for around $2,500. I wish I still had it, if this is the actual true going rate now!

Robert- I'm curious, did you sell it about 18 mths ago via an AH? If so, I think I bid it then.. Not at my computer, so can't check scans/serial#, but the one I'm thinking of sold for like $2600... Then resold for like $4400 less than a year later and shortly after 42 was released. I'd been kicking myself on 4 or 5 I'd let go by prior to the movie's release... Though did end up with a solid 5 just before prices went haywire.

Re- the OP.. It's interesting to see how the shiller used a $0.02 increment, I'm guessing to alert him just before he's reached the ceiling.