Am I wrong for considering a return on this card?

[Acollector]

Third party grading was started to eliminate sellers saying their cards were better than they were. The seller was not lying if he said he was selling a PSA 3, so he shouldn't have to take a return in my opinion. If he himself stated it to be better than it actually was, then I would say you should have the right to return it to him. I personally wouldn't return it to the seller. If I had a real gripe about how it looked, I would contact Joe Orlando and he would give you a full refund if it indeed is thought to be over graded by PSA.

[freakhappy]

I think most people can relate to the fact that when you have a card(s) in hand, they can certainly look different than when displayed on a computer and deciding whether or not to buy them.

I do not think you would be out of line by returning this card because it is not what you thought it was. Simply contact the seller and explain to him that you do not like the card because of the facts you stated above and see where it goes. You're a smart and easy going guy and you can talk to people with the best of them. I'm sure the seller will understand and you two can come to some agreement. You shouldn't feel bad about wanting to return this card...it happens!

Good luck and keep us posted!

[edhans]

Originally Posted by Acollector

The seller was not lying if he said he was selling a PSA 3, so he shouldn't have to take a return in my opinion. If I had a real gripe about how it looked, I would contact Joe Orlando and he would give you a full refund if it indeed is thought to be over graded by PSA.

Sellers should guarantee satisfaction unconditionally instead of hiding behind a grading company's mistakes. They are selling a card and not some third party's opinion of it. As a practical matter, PSA would not refund anything on this card, and it would certainly not merit the attention of their president, even if he was so inclined. I agree with the majority that it's a passable three.

[3-2-count]

Originally Posted by edhans

Sellers should guarantee satisfaction unconditionally instead of hiding behind a grading company's mistakes. They are selling a card not some third party's opinion of it.

Ed well spoken. I agree 100%. When I sell a card to a buyer no matter if graded or raw, if they are not satisfied for any reason a full refund would be offered. It's just good business sense.

Oddly enough I've purchased cards from board members and not been happy with them once received only to be told to take it up with third party grading. To each their own........

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by 3-2-count

Ed well spoken. I agree 100%. When I sell a card to a buyer no matter if graded or raw, if they are not satisfied for any reason a full refund would be offered. It's just good business sense.

Oddly enough I've purchased cards from board members and not been happy with them once received only to be told to take it up with third party grading. To each their own........

I guess I didn't think that was really compliant with Leon's b/s/t standards, huh...

[Bestdj777]

Bill, I think it makes sense you are keeping it. And, I think you should be proud to own it. It is a very nice looking card. And, if you are anything like me, soon your eyes will be to the point where you cannot even see the corner without squinting a lot.

[bobbyw8469]

If you take returns on 3rd party graded cards, it just defeats the purpose of the grading IMHO. You are basically saying that you are better than the 3rd party grader. That is like the thing I read about PayPal telling a buyer to destroy a violin because the seller said it was real and the buyer said it was counterfeit. Who made PayPal an expert on vintage violins? And then judge, jury and executioner? I guess I am in the minority...

[edhans]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

You are basically saying that you are better than the 3rd party grader.

There are a good number of board members who could easily make that claim.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I don't see any point in keeping a card you don't like. If you don't have a good basis to return it, just sell it and move on.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by 3-2-count

Ed well spoken. I agree 100%. When I sell a card to a buyer no matter if graded or raw, if they are not satisfied for any reason a full refund would be offered. It's just good business sense.

Oddly enough I've purchased cards from board members and not been happy with them once received only to be told to take it up with third party grading. To each their own........

and I have emailed PMs to a seller, when somewhat unhappy with a purchase, only to be ignored. Then the same person ignoring me then wanted a refund on a graded card I sold on ebay, where I clearly stated no returns on graded cards....go figure...

I should add, I think that is just about the only time I have ever refused a return.....I have even given a few refunds years after a purchase.

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by Leon

and I have emailed PMs to a seller, when somewhat unhappy with a purchase, only to be ignored. Then the same person ignoring me then wanted a refund on a graded card I sold on ebay, where I clearly stated no returns on graded cards....go figure...

I should add, I think that is just about the only time I have ever refused a return.....I have even given a few refunds years after a purchase.

Maybe it's a new policy or something, but I thought even if you stated "no refunds", the buyer can still return the card. I could be wrong here.

Bill, I respect your decision, but honestly returning the card isn't really a big deal. I feel like you're afraid of hurting the seller's feelings or somehow going back on your promise of buying the card. However, I have had this sort of thing happen to me and I just resold the card instead of returning it. The only thing that would hurt you during the reselling process is that I'm sure you would go out of your way to state how the back looks, the way it does and maybe it looks over graded to you. When this happens to me, I go out of my way to let everyone know about the tear on the back...which could hurt the sell. If you don't like it, return it.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

Maybe it's a new policy or something, but I thought even if you stated "no refunds", the buyer can still return the card. I could be wrong here.

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There is no written policy for anything on the BST except that there shouldn't be interference by 3rd parties posting. Everyone makes their own deals and rules as they see fit. No way would there be any kind of Net54baseball "policy" concerning returns. I should mention that there are some general guidelines in our rules section, pertaining to the BST sections, but not to specific dealings. Caveat emptor, buyer beware applies.

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by Leon

There is no written policy for anything on the BST except that there shouldn't be interference by 3rd parties posting. Everyone makes their own deals and rules as they see fit. No way would there be any kind of Net54baseball "policy" concerning returns.

My bad, Leon...I thought you were talking about eBay!

[vargha]

Originally Posted by edhans

Sellers should guarantee satisfaction unconditionally instead of hiding behind a grading company's mistakes. They are selling a card and not some third party's opionon of it. As a practical matter, PSA would not refund anything on this card, and it would certainly not merit the attention of their president, even if he was so inclined. I agree with the majority that it's a passable three.

PSA's president is an empty suit. Discussing nearly anything with him from a meaningful standpoint would be a complete waste of my time.