Card Grading vs. Autograph Grading

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by scooter729

...and this Lou Gehrig autograph (currently in SCP's auction - I have no affiliation) gets a grade of a 3 (also 1-10), it makes me question the systems in place.
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Thoughts?

Since you asked...... My thinking is that card-grading serves a purpose; if nothing else, the slab provides a uniform look for cards from different sets, protects, creates a commodity that can be more easily priced and perhaps makes storage easier. I won't get into the negatives, especially the dishonesty that results from the 'more easily priced' aspect.

But autograph grading? I don't understand why anyone cares about anything other than authenticity. Don't most autograph collectors have eyes?

[Shoebox]

When I am shopping vintage cards I prefer to buy graded cards. Better protection, storage, and display appeal. I pay a bit of a premium but since I buy a good percentage of lower grade cards the premium is less than I would spend buying equivelent raw cards and submitting them myself. With an autograph I am surprised when I see graded autographs. My #1 concern as a buyer is the authenticty. I can make asthetic judements about the eye appeal myself. If an auto is authenticated I get all the benefits of en apsulation that I like. As a buyer the grade on the auto isnt going to affect what I am willing to pay.

[scooter729]

Good points, guys - makes sense. I don't base an autograph purchase on the grade assigned to it either, but felt the need to throw the question out there when I saw the faded Gehrig with surface loss being called "Very Good" and reading the PSA / DNA description of its grades....

[glchen]

Originally Posted by Runscott

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But autograph grading? I don't understand why anyone cares about anything other than authenticity. Don't most autograph collectors have eyes?

I think consistency is all that really matters. For example, for a card, if someone says, I have a great looking T206 Red Cobb, but it grades a 1 due to a pinhole, people know what to expect. Similarly, if someone tells a dealer, I'm looking for a Lou Gehrig auto that grades around 4-6, that dealer knows which autos to look for you. Then when he brings out all of his autos around that grade, the buyer knows approx. what's coming also.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by glchen

I think consistency is all that really matters. For example, for a card, if someone says, I have a great looking T206 Red Cobb, but it grades a 1 due to a pinhole, people know what to expect. Similarly, if someone tells a dealer, I'm looking for a Lou Gehrig auto that grades around 4-6, that dealer knows which autos to look for you. Then when he brings out all of his autos around that grade, the buyer knows approx. what's coming also.

Do you actually order autographs from dealers that way?

No one I know would make such a request - they would instead say that they were looking for a 'nice' Gehrig, or 'something around $3,000'. If there were any consistency in what 'around 4-6' actually meant, then maybe autograph collectors would begin using such terminology.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Do you actually order autographs from dealers that way?

No one I know would make such a request - they would instead say that they were looking for a 'nice' Gehrig, or 'something around $3,000'. If there were any consistency in what 'around 4-6' actually meant, then maybe autograph collectors would begin using such terminology.

Personally, I don't collect autos. However, I've seen enough of them to pretty know much that anything under a 5 for an auto is pretty bad looking. I agree that the price range and "nice" would also work, but the auto grade would give more detail to exactly how "nice" the buyer is looking for. Obviously, it wouldn't be required.