I guess we have a market decision on Ali's RC

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Some have the J, it's just a question of how well the printing was aligned.

If the letter "J" is missing, then how did it get a PSA 9?

[GasHouseGang]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

If the letter "J" is missing, then how did it get a PSA 9?

That's what I was wondering. Can anything that misaligned on the back be a PSA 9? No regular card would get that grade.

[Exhibitman]

All the early ones are cool; my personal fave is this one:



On account of it was his first card issued in the USA.

[Arazi4442]

I'm partial to the Lampo Clay card as well. Though I see the argument for the Hemmets Journal, it still doesn't feel like a "card"to me.

I'm also not quite ready to agree that the market has spoken on Ali's RC, espically by way of a PWCC auction. The price difference between the PWCCand the HA auction seems out of the norm. With what I've read on this forum about PWCC, it seems just as likely that there's a group of people with a number of higher grade Hemmets cards using this auction to artificially raise the market value.

The commission on one sale (even a big $ sale like this one) is completely worth it if you have a handful of 7s, 8s and 9s you'd like to increase the value of by way of a pre determined, super high value auction.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by Arazi4442

I'm partial to the Lampo Clay card as well. Though I see the argument for the Hemmets Journal, it still doesn't feel like a "card"to me.

I'm also not quite ready to agree that the market has spoken on Ali's RC, espically by way of a PWCC auction. The price difference between the PWCCand the HA auction seems out of the norm. With what I've read on this forum about PWCC, it seems just as likely that there's a group of people with a number of higher grade Hemmets cards using this auction to artificially raise the market value.

The commission on one sale (even a big $ sale like this one) is completely worth it if you have a handful of 7s, 8s and 9s you'd like to increase the value of by way of a pre determined, super high value auction.

The Heritage example went for 25k higher than the PWCC.

Here is the pop report.

https://www.psacard.com/pop/non-spor...hand-cut/40203

The winning bidder on the PWCC looks very legit and with the Heritage sale taking place prior I think it is much more likely the seller was pissed with the final price and the buyer thrilled.

[Arazi4442]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

The Heritage example went for 25k higher than the PWCC.

Here is the pop report.

https://www.psacard.com/pop/non-spor...hand-cut/40203

The winning bidder on the PWCC looks very legit and with the Heritage sale taking place prior I think it is much more likely the seller was pissed with the final price and the buyer thrilled.

Wow David, I read those two auctions the opposite of what they really were. Guess I'm getting cynical in my old age. 😀 Thanks for setting me straight!

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by Arazi4442

Wow David, I read those two auctions the opposite of what they really were. Guess I'm getting cynical in my old age. �� Thanks for setting me straight!

I can't speak for if the Heritage sale went through or the PWCC and obviously there have been a lot of bogus auctions over the past few years and probably always.

I am not a big fan of hand cut cards personally and if there was a pack issued card of him from this year I think it would make the 15k look cheap.

Personally I don't own any Clay/Ali cards but he does have a lot of great cards out there to choose from so I could see him being highly collected and this is a very early Clay so it has to be worth something. The fact that the Pop is only 4 with no 10's helps support this price. Everyone knows the card is considered valuable who is in the hobby so you could make the bet it will stay low. Time will always tell on how many pop.

[G1911]

Those T220's went pretty high for commons. Hope the lower-grade ones stay dirt cheap, love collecting this set and all its variants

[wrestlingcardking]

I had no idea that 105 of them have been graded to date.......good amount although not a whole lot when thinking about Ali.

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

The Heritage example went for 25k higher than the PWCC.

Here is the pop report.

https://www.psacard.com/pop/non-spor...hand-cut/40203

The winning bidder on the PWCC looks very legit and with the Heritage sale taking place prior I think it is much more likely the seller was pissed with the final price and the buyer thrilled.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

If the letter "J" is missing, then how did it get a PSA 9?

I can't speak for the grading standards, only for the fact that some have the J. Look on ebay, there is a guy who specifically touts his cards that way.