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Old 12-18-2017, 09:31 PM
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Doesn't Jim offer a Lifetime guarantee? I know others have returned autographs to him that have failed TPA.
With no disrespect to Jim Stinson, Kevin Keating, or the handful or two of top notch dealers of vintage autographs over the years, but I have always assumed their money back guarantees were valid as long as they were actively in the business of buying/selling autographs. Essentially, only as long as the life time of that business. Once they retired or moved onto another occupation, the guarantee ceased. Just my opinion.

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Old 12-18-2017, 09:53 PM
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not a matter of the $. I trust Jim and Wayne more than the people that rejected them and am in contact with both. probably will list them explaining who vouches for them and who rejected them or just keep them
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not a matter of the $. I trust Jim and Wayne more than the people that rejected them and am in contact with both. probably will list them explaining who vouches for them and who rejected them or just keep them
and there you go...if you trust stinson and wayne, then why spend extra money getting opinions from people you trust less? because people buy the alphabets! and now that pandora's box is open, it's this whole thing where i bought from abc and it's good but i sent it to xyz and they said it's bad but i trust abc way more than xyz. don't say you don't trust the tpa or bash them for ruining the hobby while selectively use them to your benefit.
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not a matter of the $. I trust Jim and Wayne more than the people that rejected them and am in contact with both. probably will list them explaining who vouches for them and who rejected them or just keep them
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Old 12-19-2017, 09:36 PM
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So weird about the Cooper. When I talked to Stivers he said the same about my Cooper- he knew the provinence and then it matched kevins in the book. I bought mine just after the book came out. Now PSA doesn't want to know provenance- which in some cases like the Hanlon is important.
The biggest problem I have with the vintage sports hobby is that once a name gets established as being an 'expert', moreso if they publish a book, that name is unquestionable, even when others come along that are 10x better at whatever skill is involved. You guys really need to understand that and buy into it, or you are going to get screwed repeatedly from today until the day you quit collecting. Think about how much fun that will be.
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Old 12-20-2017, 01:17 AM
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None of this would ever come up for me but I was thinking about narrowing my collection alittle and getting rid of a few rare HOFers that weren't on cards and that most folks never heard of. Knowing where I got them I thought getting them slabbed was a done deal and I needed them slabbed to put them at auction with a major AH
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Here is my question with TPA. What are their qualifications for saying a signature is authentic? What makes you qualified? There is a lot of money involved here and that makes everything these authenticators do suspicious. Many take their word as gospel and spend lots of money are signatures that are deemed authentic. I just always wonder how many of these vintage signatures are actually real. I would figure most are not regardless of what these so called experts say. There is just way too much money involved for all this to be above board

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Here is my question with TPA. What are their qualifications for saying a signature is authentic? What makes you qualified? There is a lot of money involved here and that makes everything these authenticators do suspicious. Many take their word as gospel and spend lots of money are signatures that are deemed authentic.

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The answer is complicated in some ways but let me say that their only qualification that is required is having some background in the hobby , having a fairly clean reputation AND Mainly having the buyers and sellers faith . Unlike a doctor , dentist , lawyer , CPA , broker or any profession that requires licensing and a board to have oversight over the profession the TPAs rely on a trust created by the illusion of expertise . Any person can call themselves an autograph authenticator or expert but there is no standard by which that statement can be validated in our hobby . It is an illusion of trust created by the TPA. Money rules our hobby to a great degree and much rides on these opinions from TPAs and they know it and they wield their power , influence and the knowledge that deals happen or not depending on them with a knowledge that there is little or no recourse to them. Also their responsibilities lie in an opinion but that opinion has no validity if at times the authenticator moves to a different company .
As always the best advice is to try to educate yourself, find people you trust to help you, but remember you are ultimately responsible for your purchases; buy legal documents when possible , get items signed in person when possible BUT mainly don't buy an item if you can't afford to lose the money you spent to buy an item if you find out later that the item isn't authentic regardless if it comes from a TPA because getting money back from them can be an exercise on futility.
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I agree with the illusion part. Another problem I have is most of these " experts" are also collectors of the same stuff they certify. This I find highly unethical. I have the same opinion about the card graders who are also probably collectors of cards. It just seems like its a big can of worms and difficult for the average collector to navigate.

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Old 01-09-2018, 08:42 AM
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Why would that be unethical? Personally I'd prefer someone with hobby experience. Some scientist isn't going to know hobby history and isn't going to know who to scrutinize because they're heavily forged. Also I see no direct conflict of interest between a person certing an autograph that isn't for sale.
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