Original 12-card horizontal E91 strip may reveal 1909 printing format

[tedzan]

This 12-card strip may be a cut from an uncut sheet of American Caramel (E91) cards. Since this group of 12 cards includes Athletics, New York, and Chicago it re-
presents the 1st series which was issued in 1908-09. Each of the 3 series (issued 1908-1909-1910) in the E91 set comprises of 33 subjects.

The American Caramel printers most likely employed a printing press with a 19-inch track width, which was a standard press (1908-1919) for lithographic printing
of multi-color, small-image jobs. My research shows a similar 19-inch printing press was employed by American Lithographic to print the T205, T206, T209, T210,
T211, T213, T214, and T215 cards.


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I would guess that the fundamental sheet arrangement was 12 by N-number of rows with one (or 2, or 3) multi-prints on each of the rows of cards.

In my opinion this 12-card strip is a great find....in that is provides us insight into a baseline of how the sheets were formatted in the printing process. Not only the
Candy cards of that era, but also the Tobacco cards of that era.

Questions, inputs, or whatever regarding this subject would be greatly appreciated......thanks.


TED Z
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[Econteachert205]

Hi Ted, I was curious if there are any double name cards from this series to hint at a top to bottom sheet construction, similar to what we've seen from the t206s?

[DaveW]

Interesting. Is it my imagination (or poor resolution on my screen) but aren't all 12 cards on this sheet double printed? The two cards on the left are the same and then there are two identical groups of five - so six different subjects.

[tedzan]

The E91-A-B-C set totaling 99 subjects is a strange set.

It appears that American Caramel had a limited number of images. So, the same image can be two different players.

If I recall correctly, the Honus Wagner image is limited to only him.

The Walter Johnson image depicts him as a southpaw pitcher.

Like I said....it is a strange set.

I suggest you check out ebay listing of E91 cards and you will see what I'm saying.



TED Z
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[Zach Wheat]

Ted,

What are your thoughts in regards to the T201 set?

Z wheat

[ZachS]

Dave is right... every card is double printed.



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[tedzan]

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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Zach Wheat

Ted,

What are your thoughts in regards to the T201 set?

Z wheat

Sorry for the delay in responding.

The same 19-inch printing press used for printing T205's, T206's, etc., etc., was most likely used to print the T201 cards. As I show here, 8 cards
across the sheet fit quite easily.


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TED Z
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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by tedzan

The E91-A-B-C set totaling 99 subjects is a strange set.

It appears that American Caramel had a limited number of images. So, the same image can be two different players.

If I recall correctly, the Honus Wagner image is limited to only him.

The Walter Johnson image depicts him as a southpaw pitcher.

Like I said....it is a strange set.

I suggest you check out ebay listing of E91 cards and you will see what I'm saying.



TED Z
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I have already addressed Dave's question in this post.

What you cannot discern from my scan (sorry about its fuzziness) are the names of the Double-Printed images. As I stated (and this is well known)......
in the E91 set the same image was printed with 2 (or 3) different players.


TED Z
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[brianp-beme]

Hi Ted,

If it is Honus Wagner pictured in the strip, then this strip should just be cards from the E91C series, and thus what is seen on the strip is two examples of each of six players.

The E91A and E91B featured players from the Philadelphia A's, New York Giants and Chicago Cubs, while the E91C features players from the Washington Senators, Boston Red Sox, and the Pittsburgh Pirates.

By the way, the E91C Honus Wagner card utilizes the same image as is seen in the E91A and E91B sets as Joe Tinker, and the image seen on the E91C Walter Johnson card was originally identified as Rube Waddell in the E91A set, and as Harry Krause in the E91B set.

The makers of these sets utilized actual player.s (facial) images in creating the E91A set, and any of the E91B images that maintain the same player identification should be considered accurate (if perhaps Kewpie like) representations of the player. Any E91B card that does not maintain the same player designation, and all of the E91C set, should not be considered accurate player likenesses.

Brian

[tedzan]

Hey Zach


Here are 3 examples of the same image with 3 different players from E91 listings on ebay......

Murphy
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-E91-Ame...item5d547f65fc

Seybold
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-E91A-Am...item4ae8426194


Unglaub
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1910-E91-C-A...item487cd94fc9



TED Z
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[ZachS]

Ted, I realize that the names are too fuzzy to read but some of them definitely look similar to me.

These 2 for example... looks like the same lettering:

[atx840]

Great thread. Fun to figure this stuff out.

[tedzan]

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